News - Intel's Haswell line-up leaked? Aiming for release in Q2 2013

[harryj1995]

Whenever there's news on Intel I always get excited

[brasco]

Are there also rumours about new socket 2011 processors? by the way, I think Intel leaked them on purpose to make the crowd interested.

Apparently it's coming 2nd half of 2013 (maybe even a year from now). These are quite disappointing so here's hoping for a decent IB-E chip, else I'll have to take the plunge into dual E5 Xeons, and my wallet doesn't want me to just yet

[=assassin=]

Nothing particularly exciting amongst the new line-up. Good in a way, as it means less reason to pay out for upgrades!

[Ross1]

Yet another new socket from Intel...

I think intels excuse this time is pci-e lanes are going into the CPU...

Anyway, its pretty clear just how much intel is holding back now. They have not increased core count for a few generations. The Q6600 was effectively a mainstream CPU, then we had nehalem, then we had SB with the 2500k being the new Q6600, now we have ivy bridge, and haswell for LGA1150 at least will remain at 4 cores.

Meanwhile the 'enthusiast' bracket is moving even slower. If memory serves LGA1366 actually came out before LGA1156 did. By sandy bridge it was 11 months behind the mainstream release, and now IB-e will likely be 18 months behind.

I guess its in their own interests to do so. Why blow all your improvement in one go if you can make it last for longer, we know the limits of silicon are fast approaching. The sad thing is its still difficult to see AMD catching up at all.

[watercooled]

PCIe lanes have been on-package since 1156 and AFAIK there's been no technical reason to force socket changes since then.

Last I heard, IVB-E is still likely to have 6 usable cores, less cache and clocked higher than the Xeons.

[YeeeKhhaw]

2013D = 4th Quarter of 2013?

[cassist]

Are there also rumours about new socket 2011 processors? by the way, I think Intel leaked them on purpose to make the crowd interested.

Apparently it's coming 2nd half of 2013 (maybe even a year from now). These are quite disappointing so here's hoping for a decent IB-E chip, else I'll have to take the plunge into dual E5 Xeons, and my wallet doesn't want me to just yet

By the time my wallet can afford it we will probably be at haswell E, so if IB E dissapoints it's not a total disaster, but there is barely a difference between the stats of Haswell and IB, so what is the difference?

[jamesv1000]

Seems the Haswell 4770 will have a higher power consumption than the Ivybridge 3770 due to the beefed up graphics. I dont know why Intel dont offer their top end cpu without the onboard graphics. Most people in the market for this chip will have a dedicated card making the Hd4600 totally redundant and a waste of power.

[Willzzz]

Not everyone is a gamer.

[watercooled]

It's part of the die so it's not as simple as just removing it. However, it's gated off when a discrete card is installed so the impact on power draw is negligible. Even if it's enabled, modern CPUs use aggressive power gating so idle power is very low anyway.

Intel already do some 'P' versions with the IGP fused off (likely partly defective dies) for a lower RRP - it would be nice to see more of these IMO. There are also Xeons with the IGP disabled but AFAIK they're OEM-only and I'm not sure if price is much better?

[Willzzz]

Oh and if the increase in TDP is due to the IGP, then people who have a dedicated GPU will probably see a decrease in power consumption. Or even people without a GPU who don't use 3D graphics.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The CPU cores might be actually bigger though,so it is hard to say whether power consumption has actually changed.

[Willzzz]

I cannot imagine that Haswell will not be more power efficient in terms of work done/power used.

[watercooled]

True, it could be an overall power limit with CPU/GPU throttling depending on load like some mobile (and possibly desktop?) CPUs do now.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The main issue is the Intel IGP,not the CPU cores with regards to power consumption. I would expect uncore and IGP improvements,plus one year of process maturity to be the main areas where power consumption will be improved.However,even IB will benefit from the process improvements too at the same point in time. The Haswell CPU cores are themselves buffed up a bit on the same process node,so they are probably actually bigger overall. I expect that Haswell will be a bigger chip overall when compared to IB.

Even SB was mainly a die shrink,with most of the single thread IPC improvements coming from uncore improvements(that is the gist of what Intel indicated at least).

[loyal986]

Intel needs your money lol, branding rebranding, its all marketing stuff and its not a jump just money harvesting method. Hush intel I am poor for you, I can catch with AMD.