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If the next Xbox has a DRM always on then i won't be getting it. Only really want it for Forza anyway to be honest. Couldn't care less about Halo or Gears of War.
Leaving a device on for 24/7 certainly results in high energy bills. Removing them saved me 50 quid a year. My modem is my only device which is kept 24/7 and now accounts for ten per cent of my electricity bill.
MS wants an always on system - this is nothing to do with DRM or social networks. It is to give MS more opportunity to sell us something. They have looked at the apps mkt and "freemium" software and decided they want a slice of it.
Just wait, your XBox720 will need an email address and credit card to start!
W8 is not that different - first thing I did when I installed it was get rid of the advert heavy games/music/movies apps
They've gotta be careful though, new devices as of a 6 Jan 2010 have to use 1W or less when on standby, 2W for "Standby-Plus" if there's a display or quick power-up. If it's "Always On" I can bet it'll use a lot more than that and therefore contravene EU regulations and Brussels can levy more Big fine against Micro$oft.
Must be one hell of a modem, if your energy use is that of a typical house. My modem uses about 3w, according to two different energy meters, one being a plug-through type, and the other an Efergy unit monitoring, inductively, the entire household usage, at the main meter outlet.Originally Posted by Top_gun
Given that I can hit 7Kw or more when, for instance, cooking, then even allowing for 3w 24/7, and cooking for relatively brief periods, no way could my modem get anywhere near 10% of my bills.
I agree entirely with your first sentence, though I'd have said "higher", rather than "high", but sometimes, it's worthwhile, or even necessary for devices to be on .... my main freezer, for instance, is always-on, .... and I maybe ought to change it, as it's old and a bit of a power hog. But I have at least one cordless phone always ona charger, and TV recorders are on, as they record by program, at any time of day. But where possible and practical, I turn things off. I certainly do after I went round the house with those meters working out what uses what amount of power.
Always online is a bad idea. Just look at how Diablo 3 and Sim City turned out. By requiring an internet connection for everything that you do on the console (including single player games), Microsoft will cause consumers to be turned off from the new console. Sometimes, people do not have an internet connection at their disposal (i.e., overseas in Iraq and some households)...
Much as others have said, this could be a misinterpretation of the system. Either that, or a terrible idea which will remove pretty much any chance of me purchasing one. Comparing it to electricity is a terrible analogy on several levels - you literally need electricity for some devices to function, the net requirement of the console would be like a book needing to be plugged in, in order to allow you to open/read it. Also, as others have said, electricity tends to be several orders of magnitude more reliable than broadband, and what about those who simply don't have/want a fixed line connection. They're simply alienating a not-insignificant amount of potential customers for no good reason.
@Saracan: You don't pay your bills based on that meter do you? I believe some providers offer such a service, but it can be incredibly unreliable for low PF devices, potentially significantly over-charging you.
My modem consumes about 6.5 watts which works out as 52 kwh per year. My electricity usage per year is 520 kwh.
I tend to consider electronic equipment as devices but of course I leave my fridge-freezers 24/7 though it only consumes 149kwh a year while cordless phone is just 5.7kwh per year.
As for measuring my energy usage, I use a plug-through type which is accurate to +/1 0.1 watts.
There are further plans to reduce my yearly consumption even more by choosing a lower energy consuming modem and pc/monitor.
That is an incredibly low value per year! The UK average is around 3300 for gas heated houses.
Hash-tag deal with me not buying your console. ****.
Whatever happened to being responsible with your energy usage?
Needs internet to play online, to get updates, DLC, anything social network related. They're pretty neutered without connectivity so always-on is something an XBox owner is going to actually want anyway, I'm not sure what the fuss is all about as 99% of potential customers have always on internet already, modern tech-filled life requires regular connectivity *almost* as much as electricity. If you go and live in the back of beyond past the middle of nowhere and you can scrape a Mb together then I doubt you are a member of Microsoft or Sony's core market focus.
Storm in a tea-cup then really, Steam does fine with requiring to be online, I suspect the released XBox 720 will be a similar system - as in you need to sign-in/activate online but not to continue playing single player campaigns. Bear in mind that anyone looking at the current hardware is looking at DEV hardware which is likely to be much more controlled to prevent leaks and running early versions or test versions of software that may be experimenting with ideas.
Fook... and I thought my £400 for 4 months (of winter) was a lot for gas+electric!!
(and I'm a long way from energy efficient).
Well it's not great, don't get £s confused with kwhs though
Your math sounds way out. Unless your heating/cooking/water is 100% gas and you literally turn off EVERYTHING, use LED bulbs and only a laptop for computing there is no way your modem/router is 10% of your usage.
Even a beastly 10W router is like 70p a month on 24/7.
EDIT: 10W is 0.24KWh per day.
Your kettle might be a 3000W device (mine is) so 0.24KWh gets you approx 5 mins of boiling time, so if you have a few cups of tea a day you likely spent more to avoid spitting feathers...
More EDIT: 3000W for 5 mins is 3000J/s * 60 *5 = 900,000J, assuming we're raising the water from 20 to 100 degrees and the SHC of water is 4181J per kg per C then 900,000 joules is enough to raise 2.69 litres by the 80 degrees necessary to make the tea. I suppose that is quite a lot of tea, but that assumes a 100% efficient kettle which would be erroneous.
Last edited by kingpotnoodle; 05-04-2013 at 06:15 PM.
Yes sorry I'm rather mixing terms, I can't remember what the bill said I'll look when I get home but it was a lot less than 1000KWh I think, I looked at the meter the other day and it was on 600 ish (brand new meter/house in Dec).Well it's not great, don't get £s confused with kwhs though
I'm burning the money all on gas, heating and water. I must sit in the dark a lot!
Sony are managing fine without forcing always-online. What on Earth is the point in forcing something completely unnecessary onto consumers, alienating a lot of them in the process? As I said, it may be a misinterpretation, but it's quite simply utter nonsense if true. As I think I've said several times already on the subject, not being a problem for some people is most certainly not the same thing as it being a positive thing for everyone.
Also, Steam does not need to be online in order to play games, it has an offline mode. Rumours are claiming the nextbox will kick you off games if you lose connection, which is just laughable.
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