News - EE announces London mobile data speeds of up to 150Mbps

[Jay]

Luck Londoners, I can just about get 1 bar of GPRS in my house!

[crossy]

London contains the highest number and densest concentration (i.e. less masts for more win) of people with enough money and motivation to pay for the latest thing, it will always get done first for that reason alone, never mind it being the capital, prestigious, where the boss lives etc.

Erm, I said that first bit too - "London gets it because you've got the "city types" down there (with more bonus money than common sense) who'd quite happily pay for the privilege of techno tackle waving with the latest tech gizmo". Then again I'm going to agree with Tabbykatze that the infrastructure then gets stretched too thin (remember this being a common criticism of both VirginMedia and Three) and your headline speeds are abysmal.

Still, I shall look forward to the day when London becomes a fully devolved region. Let's see how far your area gets without London's money.

Never mind "fully devolved region" - I'd vote for London being totally independent. Especially if it means not having to bail out the banks next time they decide to play casino with our money. Banker-bashing aside, actually I'm all in favour of full devolution for London (and Wales and perhaps some of the other English regions - like Northumbria).

Call me a cynical old *** but these "we're trialling it in London and you'll get it real soon now" deals never seem to work that well. Invariably we get the initial (London-based) announcement then it's followed up later by an announcement of "2nd Generation" meanwhile what's happened to the 1st Gen that they were trialling?

Then again, as "stanonwheels" points out, 4G+ on EE just means that you'll run out of data quota half way through the month. Unless this is designed for business users with some kind of (nice) uncapped deal.

[Top_gun]

Never mind "fully devolved region" - I'd vote for London being totally independent. Especially if it means not having to bail out the banks next time they decide to play casino with our money. Banker-bashing aside, actually I'm all in favour of full devolution for London (and Wales and perhaps some of the other English regions - like Northumbria).

Call me a cynical old *** but these "we're trialling it in London and you'll get it real soon now" deals never seem to work that well. Invariably we get the initial (London-based) announcement then it's followed up later by an announcement of "2nd Generation" meanwhile what's happened to the 1st Gen that they were trialling?

Then again, as "stanonwheels" points out, 4G+ on EE just means that you'll run out of data quota half way through the month. Unless this is designed for business users with some kind of (nice) uncapped deal.

It seems you don't understand the banking crisis at all. Northern Rock bank was a north east of England institution. RBS & HBOS are Scottish based financial institutions. All three banks took substantial bailout money from the government.

[crossy]

It seems you don't understand the banking crisis at all. Northern Rock bank was a north east of England institution. RBS & HBOS are Scottish based financial institutions. All three banks took substantial bailout money from the government.

First off, you're getting off topic - although I guess you could argue that without their (traders) massive bonuses the luxury item sellers are going to get hit.
Secondly, you missed out Lloyds from that list of bailouts and NR was in dire straits before the real pain hit, so they're not really relevant
Thirdly, RBS definitely IS a Scottish bank (oh the shame of it) and BoS too, but there's a world of difference between where the head office is registered and where the majority of business is carried out.
Forthly, banking crisis was supposedly brought on by everyone being inprudent with loans and especially diving into the free-for-all of the US mortgage market thinking that they'd make a killing and end up with a "nice lil earner" for themselves.
Fifthly, it's still my firm opinion that there's other areas of "population density" where these techno gadgets could be trialled. And in fact, as noted above, the lower population density could actually be an advantage in that existing infrastructure would be able to cope.

I think we're never going to agree, you're happy for London to have "the best" of everything (first) merely because it's "the biggest kid on the block", whereas I'm one of those nasty socialists who wants the goodies spread about a bit more equitably. I'm not anti-London, it's a nice place to visit - just wouldn't want to live there again. And now I've veered completely off topic - sorry!.

[Noli]

First off, you're getting off topic - although I guess you could argue that without their (traders) massive bonuses the luxury item sellers are going to get hit.

Whoa - you started this digression so no point having a go at someone else for responding to it!

Secondly, you missed out Lloyds from that list of bailouts and NR was in dire straits before the real pain hit, so they're not really relevant

Either NR's imminent bankruptcy and bailout were part of the credit crisis, or they weren't. And they were, let's be honest - it was all about institutions overextending credit. Your timing argument is specious at best.

Forthly, banking crisis was supposedly brought on by everyone being imprudent with loans and especially diving into the free-for-all of the US mortgage market thinking that they'd make a killing and end up with a "nice lil earner" for themselves.

Right, the US mortgage derived part of it was meat and rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish of the whole crisis so suggesting that making London independent so you wouldn't have to bail it out with "our money" (your argument) is a non sequitur. The crisis was not caused completely by London. If it was, then London tax payers having to be ring fenced for bailout funding might make some sense.

...whereas I'm one of those nasty socialists who wants the goodies spread about a bit more equitably.

We're all happy for that to happen mate. Unfortunately companies work in a competitive economy where staged rollouts, trialling and return on investments can't be ignored and they aren't bound by notions of social equality. You could start your own telecoms company which prioritises Little Tidmarsh and Felixstowe on equal footing with London if you like and if you think they've all done it wrong.

Normally agree with your comments 100% crossy but I think you've let your indignation get a little the better of you here mate.

[crossy]

Normally agree with your comments 100% crossy but I think you've let your indignation get a little the better of you here mate.

(Keeping this short). Yes, I am indignant that the way the UK seems to be run is "London first, everywhere else second" and then hear from Boris et al that they're hacked off by Barnett and the powers assigned to the Welsh and Scottish parli's. But I'm definitely NOT blaming "London" for the banking crisis - that'd be like blaming the Met Office for the weather - but cowboy bankers (in NY, LDN and elsewhere) definitely are to blame.

We're all happy for that to happen mate. Unfortunately companies work in a competitive economy where staged rollouts, trialling and return on investments can't be ignored and they aren't bound by notions of social equality. You could start your own telecoms company which prioritises Little Tidmarsh and Felixstowe on equal footing with London if you like and if you think they've all done it wrong.

Erm, I'm definitely not saying that putting 4G++ in some tinpot backwater first is a good idea. No, I'm just wondering how come other areas of high density get ignored for these kind of tech-related upgrades. From what's been said before the reason is purely that there's more folks with money burning a hole in their pocket in the M25 corridor than anywhere else. If so, then I'm a little disappointed that it's that crass. And now I'm going to shut up, to allow normal technical discussion to continue (assuming anyone's still awake at this point of course).

Have a good weekend y'all!

[Hicks12]

Glad I left Orange/EE for Three as the signal everywhere I go is better on Three by a considerable amount and I only pay £15 for 5k minutes texts and unlimited data, best of all the price never goes up even when your minimum term ends.

My data speeds are generally 30 - 40 mb/s dl and 20 - 30 mb/s ul on LTE (most places in plymouth now... just outside my door step though!) and on 3g (whatever you want to call it) i get 17 - 25 mb/s dl and 6 - 12 mb/s ul. Its funny that I can actually use my phone network as a substitute for my home broadband as the ping is always around 40ms (compared to the 18 - 25 of my home) and the upload speed is always higher .

[lelouchvi]

Still many dead spot in london and the tube, get that right first please

[TaintedShirt]

Is there any chance we could force companies to have to list their weakest/ slowest speeds.
I'm on EE in Essex. If I go indoors, I lose most if not all of my signal. I regularly have dropped calls. The train to London is a nightmare for signal.
It's fine and dandy for these companies to show off their top speeds but how about shaming/ forcing them to upgrade their network coverage over the entire country.

An advertisement like:
With EE "Tarquin in London can pirate a movie in 3 seconds but Ivor in the valleys would be lucky to get text message".


Apologies to anyone called Tarquin or Ivor.

[Noli]

Apologies to anyone called Tarquin or Ivor.

Never apologise to Tarquins or Ivors