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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary to become available on 2nd August

    Heh, data protection exceptions. Yeah, the UK has them too, and they apply to ANYONE who holds data. Hell, I've had legal permission to disclose personal information - without explicit permission - in previous jobs. The issue there is more the pervasive terms the Fisa courts apply, rather than Microsoft's compliance with its requests. And that's not Microsoft's fault.

    Claiming that Windows 10 "reveals all [your] private information to the rest of the world" is just plain wrong. It's the kind of emotive extremist language that's getting very popular (particularly in politics), that encourages people to act rashly, and that frustrates people when they make bad decisions because the information they were given turned out not to be exactly what you might call "true".

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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary to become available on 2nd August

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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary to become available on 2nd August

    By "forcing" I ment that most likely in 2 years time new MOBO'S, CPU'S and piece of hardware can be only ran on Win10,because they will only be supported on such OS(which is not right in my oppinion if there is and I know that there is a way that this can be prevented by a firmware update). And I only ment that Windows 10 collects more data about you now than ever before(if it's true what you've stated, ask yourself if it's right that the laws are made in use of the same firms that are highly depending from them).From what I've watched and heard about it,you need to uncheck a lot more things about privacy information to be collected and stored from Microsoft.And there is no guarantee that all of your info is secured and not passed over to MS and from there to third parties.I'm sorry it looked "extremist" ot "radicalist"(I despise those words,beacuse they become a personalisation for the decadent World), it shouldn't sound that way,but I can certainly say that I'm "extremely" and "radically" concerned in that manner about privacy and what is collected without asking for permission. There are more valuable and important laws like human rights in the Constitution than those specific ones which are made from circumvention the law(meaning "achieving a prohibited by a law result while using allowed means).

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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary to become available on 2nd August

    Quote Originally Posted by Clubman View Post
    By "forcing" I ment that most likely in 2 years time new MOBO'S, CPU'S and piece of hardware can be only ran on Win10
    I can't see many mobo/CPU/GPU manufacturers risking losing their valued Linux customers. Consumer computing devices, like laptops and tablets, may become more locked down to their original operating systems (like Apple phones/tablets, Blackberry devices, Chromebooks etc. already are) but I can't see it happening to individual components simply because a) there is a small but very vocal enthusiast community that would kick off, and b) MS can't afford to pay all the different manufacturers to lock their hardware to Windows, and if one manufacturer isn't locked, none of them will be as it would be a competitive disadvantage.

    Besides, if hardware vendors do lock their hardware to Windows 10, that's the vendor doing that, not Microsoft. If you want hardware that's not locked to Windows 10, tell hardware vendors that. In the mean time, as others have mentioned, you have the option to use a flavour of linux, or Haiku, or even ReactOS. Or buy a Windows 7 license now (ebuyer has a number of OEM Windows 7 options still available) and don't install it until after 2nd August, when the free upgrade will have finished and MS won't force anything on you unless you give them money (in fact, you might want to buy 2 copies so you've got one for your next computer too).

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    ... And I only ment that Windows 10 collects more data about you now than ever before ... From what I've watched and heard about it,you need to uncheck a lot more things about privacy information to be collected and stored from Microsoft. ...
    And that point I completely agree with. But it's not what you said - you said "Windows 10 reveals all their private information to the rest of the world". That's a hugely different statement to "Windows 10 sends a lot of private information back to Microsoft for storage".

    As to permission - Windows 10 has a EULA, and a number of other terms documents, that you are presented with during install and you have to read and agree to if you want to use Windows 10. So it doesn't do anything "without asking for permission". It's true that the majority of users won't do proper due diligence and find out exactly what they're agreeing to, but if you install Windows 10 you're agreeing to all those terms and conditions which means you are giving MS permission to collect that data (and, incidentally, change the terms and conditions unilaterally without advance warning).

    There are genuine reasons to be concerned about some of MS's decisions when it comes to Windows 10, and I absolutely support the view of anyone who has concerns based on actual fact. But I'd urge everyone to find out what those facts are before making a decision either way, and before making sweeping statements that simply don't tell the proper story. "Reveal to the whole world" is very different to "collect and store for unclear purposes" - both are of concern, but the appropriate responses are quite different, and it matters which of those is true.

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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary to become available on 2nd August

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    I can't see many mobo/CPU/GPU manufacturers risking losing their valued Linux customers. Consumer computing devices, like laptops and tablets, may become more locked down to their original operating systems (like Apple phones/tablets, Blackberry devices, Chromebooks etc. already are) but I can't see it happening to individual components simply because a) there is a small but very vocal enthusiast community that would kick off, and b) MS can't afford to pay all the different manufacturers to lock their hardware to Windows, and if one manufacturer isn't locked, none of them will be as it would be a competitive disadvantage.

    Besides, if hardware vendors do lock their hardware to Windows 10, that's the vendor doing that, not Microsoft. If you want hardware that's not locked to Windows 10, tell hardware vendors that. In the mean time, as others have mentioned, you have the option to use a flavour of linux, or Haiku, or even ReactOS. Or buy a Windows 7 license now (ebuyer has a number of OEM Windows 7 options still available) and don't install it until after 2nd August, when the free upgrade will have finished and MS won't force anything on you unless you give them money (in fact, you might want to buy 2 copies so you've got one for your next computer too).
    Things do appear to moving in that direction though, this Anniversary update has already changed the rules on TPM 2.0 (Trusted Platform Module, AKA secure boot) for OEM's and MoBo manufactures that want to carry the "Designed for Windows 10" logo, before the Anniversary update the switch in the BIOS to turn off TPM was a mandatory requirement, that's going to change to being optional and enabled by default (iirc), hypothetically we could get MoBo's without the option to disable TPM 2.0 in the future, although bigger Linux Distros can apply for certification it's (IMO) an extra hoop to jump through, and also theoretically it can be used for DRM, locking end-users out of being able to modify software, and a long list of other things you can do when you have a cryptographic system baked into hardware.

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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary to become available on 2nd August

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Clubman View Post
    By "forcing" I ment that most likely in 2 years time new MOBO'S, CPU'S and piece of hardware can be only ran on Win10
    I can't see many mobo/CPU/GPU manufacturers risking losing their valued Linux customers. Consumer computing devices, like laptops and tablets, may become more locked down to their original operating systems (like Apple phones/tablets, Blackberry devices, Chromebooks etc. already are) but I can't see it happening to individual components simply because a) there is a small but very vocal enthusiast community that would kick off, and b) MS can't afford to pay all the different manufacturers to lock their hardware to Windows, and if one manufacturer isn't locked, none of them will be as it would be a competitive disadvantage.

    Besides, if hardware vendors do lock their hardware to Windows 10, that's the vendor doing that, not Microsoft. If you want hardware that's not locked to Windows 10, tell hardware vendors that. In the mean time, as others have mentioned, you have the option to use a flavour of linux, or Haiku, or even ReactOS. Or buy a Windows 7 license now (ebuyer has a number of OEM Windows 7 options still available) and don't install it until after 2nd August, when the free upgrade will have finished and MS won't force anything on you unless you give them money (in fact, you might want to buy 2 copies so you've got one for your next computer too).

    Quote Originally Posted by Clubman View Post
    ... And I only ment that Windows 10 collects more data about you now than ever before ... From what I've watched and heard about it,you need to uncheck a lot more things about privacy information to be collected and stored from Microsoft. ...
    And that point I completely agree with. But it's not what you said - you said "Windows 10 reveals all their private information to the rest of the world". That's a hugely different statement to "Windows 10 sends a lot of private information back to Microsoft for storage".

    As to permission - Windows 10 has a EULA, and a number of other terms documents, that you are presented with during install and you have to read and agree to if you want to use Windows 10. So it doesn't do anything "without asking for permission". It's true that the majority of users won't do proper due diligence and find out exactly what they're agreeing to, but if you install Windows 10 you're agreeing to all those terms and conditions which means you are giving MS permission to collect that data (and, incidentally, change the terms and conditions unilaterally without advance warning).

    There are genuine reasons to be concerned about some of MS's decisions when it comes to Windows 10, and I absolutely support the view of anyone who has concerns based on actual fact. But I'd urge everyone to find out what those facts are before making a decision either way, and before making sweeping statements that simply don't tell the proper story. "Reveal to the whole world" is very different to "collect and store for unclear purposes" - both are of concern, but the appropriate responses are quite different, and it matters which of those is true.
    I know there are some other OS like the ones you mentioned,but I'm used to MS as the majority of people.I think just from the looks of it that MS is more user friendly about their interface and that's why Linux looks too pro to me and correct me if I'm wrong but LX is a target mainly for programmers,etc.,it's has more functions in that manner.
    As for the "privacy,revealed to the whole world" I think that sometimes this could find its common sides with "Windows 10 sends a lot of private information back to Microsoft for storage",it's common sense to presume that.It's just that I don't have what is needed to proove that..and even if I had it,you know what happens when people go against big corporations like Monsanto,McDonalds,Coca Cola..you now what I mean.Don't look what will be the response for these two slightly different situations,look at what will be the results and they will be the same - your private information could be used in the moment when someone, who has it,finds it quite appealing and useful to him. Do you really think that Windows as an OS or any other OS could not function properly without collecting your information? I doubt that and I am concerned that the tendency is in the opposite direction.
    About hardware vendors that agree to lock their hardware on MS you are absolutely right,that's only thing that could be done in this situation,but again,we cannot interfere in agreenments between "big firms with big names".

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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary to become available on 2nd August

    Something happened to my work PC and I can't see my comments,I pasted it a few times,than I saw that the comments are reported as published,so probably you are seeing more than one identical comments from me,for which I apologize. This one I wont paste it twice and will assume that it is also published.

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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary to become available on 2nd August

    I've deleted the duplicate post.

    Linux has many applications and desktop environments for different needs, but basically under the skin, they are all the same, so you can install a distribution which is optimised (in terms of the applications that are installed automatically) for home/office use, server use, software development use etc, and then add or remove additional apps to configure it as your needs change. Linux systems are used in many applications including laboratory control, , video editing, home tharptre etc.
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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary to become available on 2nd August

    Cheers, David



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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary to become available on 2nd August

    Quote Originally Posted by g8ina View Post
    The only problem solved here is how to not recieve a message for upgrading from Win7 to Win10,and it's partially solved.The easiest way without even installing 3rd party software is just to remove from Windows Updates the update under this name and number: KB3035583 . The other and more important stuff is still current and actual.

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