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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    Mebbe Windows will go back to being a computer OS...

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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    I had a Lumia 620 and then a 735 and both were really good. Excellent battery life, loved the user interface, but there was no app infrastructure.

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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    I'm another one that overall, was quite keen on winmo, but lack of app support really killed it for me and I went back to Android.

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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyRose View Post
    Mebbe Windows will go back to being a computer OS...
    I wouldn't hold your breath on that.

    For users that are happy with Win10, it might even be a retrograde move. And for a good chunk of the rest, it's now too late. Having spent months evaluating alternatives (Linux) and implementing a phase changeover, it'd take something mind-bogglingly good to get me to switch back. MS have already lost 30 years of me being MS-based, and lost all goodwill in the process.

    Besides, MS clearly have a course charted and (IMHO) that ain't it.


    As for Win phone, I rather agree with the inferences of Vicar's remark, when he mentioned going flip-phone.

    For me, any phone has three categories of feature :-

    1) Must-have
    2) Important but not necessarily a deal-killer, i.e. really want but don't need
    3) Frills. Nice, but not decision-affecting except when both above are satisfied by multiple models.

    I have an extra criteria :-

    4) Must NOT have. Primarily, this is gross invasion of privacy.

    Avoiding 4, for me, over-rides both 2 and 3. That is to say, unless J can be SURE of meeting 4, what's in 2 or 3 is irelevant.

    As 1 includes making and reeiving calls, and a few memories, and not much else, very basic non-smartphone will do.

    As for meeting 4, for me that rules out Android and pretty much rules out Apple and MS too, leaving basic phones as the only option.

    Thing is, 4 is also more important than 1, to me. If it ever gets to the point of a privacy-intrusive smart-phone or no phone, then .... no phone it is.

    I think it's obvious from that how little I care about whether MS are in phonds or not.

    What I WOULD use us a smartphone with a FAR greater level of granularity in granting access permissions, with ME making that decision. For a start, ONLY apps needing access coukd access things like personak contacts, photos, diary/calendar, email logs, etc, not virtually every app out there.

    In a universe where USER needs come first, I'm in, and I'm more than happy to pay for apps. In this universe, where the notion of personal control or any sense of privacy is a bad joke with a really noxious smell, smartphones are a non-starter for me. And no, before anyone asks, I don't expect that to change.

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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    ... What I WOULD use us a smartphone with a FAR greater level of granularity in granting access permissions, with ME making that decision. For a start, ONLY apps needing access coukd access things like personak contacts, photos, diary/calendar, email logs, etc, not virtually every app out there. ..
    This was one of the big plusses of BB 10 - you chose the individual permissions an app had, rather than just whether you'd give the app all the permissions it wanted. And you could turn those on an off when you wanted to, so you could even grant an app a permission you didn't want it to have normally if you needed it to have it for a particular purpose.

    it's also one of the privacy issues I actually agree with you on (shock horror!). I have two different main banks with whom I do internet banking. When I switched to Android I went to download both their mobile banking apps. One asked me for, iirc, exactly one permission, the other asked me for about 9 permissions. Guess which one [b]didn't[/i] get downloaded...

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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    Modern android is more granular with permissions than it used to be

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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Zhaoman View Post
    They have killed Windows Phone but I feel like the next phone Microsoft releases will run full fat Windows 10 (or whatever the equivalent is at the time). The question is when...
    nah, going to be no hardware sales eventually OR if they do decide to keep phone, it will be android. But doubtful they will have any phones at all in 2-3 years.

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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    This was one of the big plusses of BB 10 - you chose the individual permissions an app had, rather than just whether you'd give the app all the permissions it wanted. And you could turn those on an off when you wanted to, so you could even grant an app a permission you didn't want it to have normally if you needed it to have it for a particular purpose.

    it's also one of the privacy issues I actually agree with you on (shock horror!). I have two different main banks with whom I do internet banking. When I switched to Android I went to download both their mobile banking apps. One asked me for, iirc, exactly one permission, the other asked me for about 9 permissions. Guess which one [b]didn't[/i] get downloaded...
    Can confirm my Android phone (Marshmallow based) allows me to pick and choose permissions for an app. Can download and install without offering any, then change them in settings. Some apps' permissions seem totally unwarranted, which feels worse given that I traditionally starve them of anything I deem overreaching AND yet they seem to function just fine anyway!?

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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    I'm another one that overall, was quite keen on winmo, but lack of app support really killed it for me and I went back to Android.
    This.

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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    Microsoft playing catch up again. I thought everyone knew the windows phone was dead in the water?
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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozaron View Post
    ... Can download and install without offering any, then change them in settings. ...
    I've just had a look at that banking app I was talking about, and I can't download it without agreeing to it accessing: Identity, Contacts, Location, SMS, Photos/Media/Files, Microphone, Wifi Connection information, and Device ID and Call information.

    For a banking app? I don't think so. The one I'm using doesn't require any permissions to install.

    That's the key issue for me. To download those apps I have to agree to them having those permissions in advance. On BB 10 you didn't - you could set up the permissions individually before you downloaded the app. Much better UX, imo.

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    Re: Microsoft sounds the death knell for Windows Phone

    I have the Lumia 535 and it's an OK phone but the app support for the platform is rubbish. I was planning to go back to an Android phone anyway.

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