Intel Meltdown and Spectre-proof CPUs to launch this year

[scaryjim]

I just had a really cynical thought.

They're going to bring back the in-order Atom CPUs....

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I just had a really cynical thought.

They're going to bring back the in-order Atom CPUs....

The IBM Power 6 core was in-order and was on 65NM and 90NM:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER6

Prototypes reached upto 6GHZ!!

[Iota]

I just hope the Ryzen APU and Ryzen+ perform better in games based on older engines,since I really don't want to get an Intel CPU for my next upgrade in light of the security issue,and the fact the Ryzen ecosystem seems more atuned to what I want too. But if the performance isn't there,Intel is my only choice which makes the Moose feel sad,as they really don't deserve to be profit from all of this.

Honestly from the benchmarks that I've already seen, and the extent of the extra things that Ryzen provides over an Intel platform for the price points I'd aim for, I already know who gets my money for my next build.

It isn't going to be Intel, especially after all of the PR guff that they've given since Meltdown / Spectre became widely known. It's just outright bad behaviour, certainly not something I'm going to reward, until they learn to take corporate responsibility for their actions they've lost me as a customer.

[adidan]

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Spent too much time thinking about Intel. Can't trust them.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Honestly from the benchmarks that I've already seen, and the extent of the extra things that Ryzen provides over an Intel platform for the price points I'd aim for, I already know who gets my money for my next build.

It isn't going to be Intel, especially after all of the PR guff that they've given since Meltdown / Spectre became widely known. It's just outright bad behaviour, certainly not something I'm going to reward, until they learn to take corporate responsibility for their actions they've lost me as a customer.

The issue is when Ryzen is no better than IB in the game I am talking about and Intel is 30% to 40% faster. For most games its not the case,but with some engines Ryzen needs optimisation which is probably not going to happen methinks. I don't want to spend £100s to get a sidegrade,but after a better part of a year I think the only why Ryzen will improve in them is via brute force. So that means a significant jump in ST performance,unless OFC its the dual CCX design which is the issue,hence why I am interested in seeing how the Ryzen APU performs,since that is only one CCX.

[lon3wolf2002]

So I'm presuming they'll be supplying me a free replacement for my i7 5960x?

No but they will happily sell you another socket type Motherboard to go along with the fixed CPU's

[johnroe]

They should offer a discount to anyone replacing an old intel CPU. It's standard practice, to reassure customer confidence.

It's hard to know how much 'fake news' there is in the tech industry. How will Spectre affect CPU's exactly?

[MrJim]

Little miffed that I bought a i7 8700K just before xmas....

No doubt a lot of people are in the same situation, sadly. At least your mobo manufacturer should offer you a bios update for the Spectre vulnerability? I doubt very much Asus will update the bios on my six year old mobo!

[adidan]

No doubt a lot of people are in the same situation, sadly. At least your mobo manufacturer should offer you a bios update for the Spectre vulnerability? I doubt very much Asus will update the bios on my six year old mobo!

I thought they were advising against bios updates now because Intel messed up the microcode 'fix'?

[MCG099]

The same Intel and CEO that alerted computer makers to chip flaws on Nov 29 - the same day the aforementioned CEO sold off his shares. I wouldn't believe a word out of his pie hole.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Intel hires a crisis management firm,WTF:

https://translate.google.co.uk/trans...wn/&edit-text=

Intel has hired a crisis communications firm Sard Verbinnen to handle the Spectre/Meltdown fallout. I just got an email from them. Intel's dealt with a lot of s*** in the past, but first time I've seen them hire a crisis communications firm. #intelbug #inte l

Intel postpones product launches
Internally, the problems of recent weeks at Intel have already caused the shifts of new products. New CPUs and motherboards now without the right patches to publish, would probably only pour oil into the fire, so the upcoming launches are once exposed. Of these, in addition to the new NUCs with Gemini Lake and Kaby Lake-G probably also affected Coffee Lake , whose second wave of CPUs and motherboards is already in the starting blocks. For CES 2018 , these were already behind closed doors to see whether the known date of late Q1 or April can be held, but now remains questionable.

[Fury559]

So I'm presuming they'll be supplying me a free replacement for my i7 5960x?

Yeah or at least a trade in offer, I'll take £100 off my 8700k purchase if I trade in my 3570k

[Wolfclaw]

What gets me is that no media outlet, has asked if Intel/AMD/xxx will refund or replace defective CPU's, as in the UK, all the lawsuits are in the USA, a drop of x% performance is covered under the sale of goods act, where a product is expect to function for a fair few years, a design flaw with performance degradation has to be breaking this?

[DanceswithUnix]

I thought they were advising against bios updates now because Intel messed up the microcode 'fix'?

Intel will get the fix to work. Linux and Windows can apply the microcode themselves, it shouldn't need BIOS support.

[Corky34]

What gets me is that no media outlet, has asked if Intel/AMD/xxx will refund or replace defective CPU's, as in the UK, all the lawsuits are in the USA, a drop of x% performance is covered under the sale of goods act, where a product is expect to function for a fair few years, a design flaw with performance degradation has to be breaking this?

Probably because America is far more litigious than the UK.

Personally i can't see any of lawsuits brought against Intel succeeding, not because i don't want them to or think Intel is without fault but because i suspect Intel is lawyered up to the hilt and it would be very difficult to prove there's been a performance impact, again not because i believe there hasn't been but because it would probably be very difficult to prove a performance hit in X usage scenario outweighs the lack of performance impact in Y and Z.

In the end even if it does end up in the courts and Intel's found at fault probably the only people to win will be the lawyers.

[Sumanji]

The issue is when Ryzen is no better than IB in the game I am talking about and Intel is 30% to 40% faster.

Not meaning to veer off topic, but how much of this gap can we reasonably expect the 12nm Ryzen+ chips to close?