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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    Quote Originally Posted by MLyons View Post
    Look at post 8 and look at "Viceroy research" and their article which seem to come improbably quickly after CTS Labs pushed their report out.

    The Reddit and OcUK threads are a gold mine of information. I mean the WHOIS says June 2017 for the CTS Labs website.

    Guess when Intel,AMD,etc were told about Spectre:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-security-flaw

    The 1st of June 2017.

    Edit!!

    The Reddit megathread has been finding all sorts of weirdness:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ws_megathread/



    LOL.

    Second Edit!!

    AMD responds:

    http://ir.amd.com/news-releases/news...orner-street-0

    We have just received a report from a company called CTS Labs claiming there are potential security vulnerabilities related to certain of our processors. We are actively investigating and analyzing its findings. This company was previously unknown to AMD and we find it unusual for a security firm to publish its research to the press without providing a reasonable amount of time for the company to investigate and address its findings. At AMD, security is a top priority and we are continually working to ensure the safety of our users as potential new risks arise. We will update this blog as news develops.
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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    Some more stuff from AT forums:

    https://forums.anandtech.com/threads...#post-39343066

    So here is what I found so far.

    CFO of CTS-Labs
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/yaron-luk-zilberman-09a1795

    Former employment
    NineWells Capital Management
    'NineWells Capital Management, LLC is a privately owned investment manager. The firm manages hedge funds for its clients. NineWells Capital Management is based in New York, New York."

    It sure looks like an attempt to drop the stock price.

    From Cnet
    "When those two security flaws were announced in January, AMD said it was not affected because of the differences in its architecture. These new security vulnerabilities break down into four categories, according to CTS-Labs co-founder and Chief Financial Officer Yaron Luk-Zilberman.

    All of the vulnerabilities essentially allow an attacker to target the secure processor, which is crucial to protecting the sensitive information on your device.

    "You're virtually undetectable when you're sitting in the secure processor," Luk-Zilberman said. "An attacker could sit there for years without ever being detected."

    So you have a CFO from a tech security company that used to work for an investment company tanking the stock price of AMD.
    https://forums.anandtech.com/threads...#post-39343075

    It gets richer. There's also another CTSLabs website http://www.ctslabsinc.com/index.html who apparently make salves, tonics, and other generic stuff that seems to border on the line of Homeopathy. Not a big deal right? Could just be a completely different company that's located in Greenville, OH vs. Tel Aviv. Except that their CFO, Yaron Luk-Zilberman is listed on Linked-In as an employee on the CTS Labs Profile that has the above link: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cts-labs-inc

    So why is the CFO of a high end Security Company like CTS Labs (located in Israel) also listed as an employee of a tonic and lotion company in Greenville, OH by nearly the same name that makes its web pages off of Yahoo Sitebuilder that looks like a throwback to the 90s?

    <!--$sitebuilder version="2.9.0" extra="Java(1.8.0_71)" md5="cdc12eff0f737de716161caacf6caaec"$-->
    <!--$templateKey Religious|Sunset - Navy|2.0$-->

    Something continues to seem really really strange about all this.
    Edit!!

    Also,Viceroy research was in the news:

    https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018...-accounts.html

    Germany's Bafin said on Monday that "short-seller" Viceroy Research breached securities law with a report on ProSiebenSat.1 by not notifying the financial watchdog beforehand.
    Yep,Viceroy research is a short seller.

    https://www.moneyweb.co.za/in-depth/...eroy-unmasked/

    Identity of individuals behind Viceroy Research revealed
    The three-man firm is headed by a previous social worker and two Australian youngsters.
    https://www.iol.co.za/business-repor...atter-13010688
    https://twitter.com/cataclysmza/stat...24240317652992

    Here's a short summary of their activities to date: https://www.iol.co.za/business-repor...atter-13010688 …. They caused nationwide panic recently when they targeted Capitec and claimed they were close to bankrupt and didn't have stability. Nearly caused mass withdrawals.
    Second Edit!!

    A poster on TPU noticed this too:

    https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...3#post-3812183

    Hmmm what an interesting connection in the CTS Labs contact page.

    http://www.bevelpr.com/

    Why would an infosec research firm have an external marketing department... Or is it the other way around?

    I can smell the money from here.
    CNBC was going to interview the company but backed out at the last minute it appears:

    https://twitter.com/ScottWapnerCNBC/...97591400337408

    Third Edit!!

    A poster on TPU noticed this too:

    https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...3#post-3812183

    Hmmm what an interesting connection in the CTS Labs contact page.

    http://www.bevelpr.com/

    Why would an infosec research firm have an external marketing department... Or is it the other way around?

    I can smell the money from here.
    CNBC was going to interview the company but backed out at the last minute it appears:

    https://twitter.com/ScottWapnerCNBC/...97591400337408

    David Kanter said the following:

    "All the exploits require root access," said David Kanter, a chip expert who is founder of Real World Technologies. "If someone already has root access to your system, you're already compromised. This is like if someone broke into your home and they got to install video cameras to spy on you."
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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    This seems to be a big organised troll with the use of green screens to simulate professional offices.

    https://youtu.be/pgYhOwikuGQ?t=1m43s Look at his hair and how it just disappears.

    https://i.imgur.com/OkWlIxA.jpg Stock images used to simulate offices.

    Their official website address is amdflaws.com thats not bias at all....

    https://www.amdflaws.com/disclaimer.html Theres also a dodgy of disclaimer.
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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    Quote Originally Posted by outwar6010 View Post
    This seems to be a big organised troll with the use of green screens to simulate professional offices.

    https://youtu.be/pgYhOwikuGQ?t=1m43s Look at his hair and how it just disappears.

    https://i.imgur.com/OkWlIxA.jpg Stock images used to simulate offices.

    Their official website address is amdflaws.com thats not bias at all....

    https://www.amdflaws.com/disclaimer.html Theres also a dodgy of disclaimer.
    It gets better! Apparently they sent the white paper to some bloke(Dan Guido,he is mentioned in some of the articles) from a security American outfit called "trailofbits" a week ago,who are now defending the work in the media,but I dunno if they are playing them TBF!

    Yet,AMD had less than 24 hours to look at anything,and guess where the CEO of CTS Labs worked,the marketing firm they are using,and this security expert now defending their work is located in?? New York.

    Also,Linus Torvald wades into it all:

    https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds

    It looks like the IT security world has hit a new low.

    If you work in security, and think you have some morals, I think you might want to add the tag-line

    "No, really, I'm not a whore. Pinky promise"

    to your business card. Because I thought the whole industry was corrupt before, but it's getting ridiculous.
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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Considering how obvious this is a sham and a smear campaign using "vulnerabilities" that can be exploited on any processor. Back into the box you go.

    Next time, properly read the article and the thread, lest you make out yourself to be any more of a fool next time.
    My apologies, Miss AMD Fangurl.

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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoonigan View Post
    My apologies, Miss AMD Fangurl.
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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    It gets better! Apparently they sent the white paper to some bloke(Dan Guido,he is mentioned in some of the articles) from a security American outfit called "trailofbits" a week ago,who are now defending the work in the media,but I dunno if they are playing them TBF!

    Yet,AMD had less than 24 hours to look at anything,and guess where the CEO of CTS Labs worked,the marketing firm they are using,and this security expert now defending their work is located in?? New York.

    Also,Linus Torvald wades into it all:

    https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds
    Its actually depressing, how the media don't even spend 10 seconds on google, before running with such an obviously fake story.
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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    Someone pointed this out on the website of the marketing firm CTS Labs are using for media inquiries:

    http://www.bevelpr.com/expertise/

    We specialize in a variety of communications areas. Our team of influencers will help you develop a customized communications plan that is uniquely designed to drive success for your business.
    We are known for our extensive media relationships and network. Let us connect you with the right reporters, bloggers, analysts and influencers who will understand your business and share your perspective with the markets.
    Hmm.

    Quote Originally Posted by outwar6010 View Post
    Its actually depressing, how the media don't even spend 10 seconds on google, before running with such an obviously fake story.
    Yeah. Even if some of this is true,the whole thing smacks of something done with ulterior motives - either stock manipulation,or negative PR before Zen+ is released with new chipsets.
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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    I wonder if someone wanted to buy shares in AMD and just needed them to drop a little before they pressed "buy"?

    Problem is that whilst it would appear we can see straight through this as we are informed consumers, the vast majority of people will not. It's like watching the news, you buy everything they tell you right up until they hit upon a subject that covers your own personal line of work or interest and then you see straight through it. Then you have to wonder if you had the same depth of knowledge about all those other subjects they've covered if you would see through them as well....

    What I do know is that my next PC (which won't be for some time) is almost certain to be AMD, purely because of the socket retention. Plus I want / need good old PCI slots and those are hard to find on modern mobos and they seem more popular on AMD compatible mobos. (PCI slot is for my X-Fi Elite Pro sound card which is awesome and there's no need / desire to bin it in order to pay a fortune for something to replace it.) My Intel chip is expected to last a good few more years but once it starts bottlenecking then I'll be investing in something utterly stupidly unneccesary from AMD.

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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/reut...chip-flaw.html

    March 13 (Reuters) - An Israeli cyber security research firm with six employees on Tuesday said it had found flaws in Advanced Micro Devices microprocessors that made them vulnerable to hacks.

    AMD said it was investigating the claims, which were followed by heavy trade in AMD shares. The stock closed up 1 percent to $11.64 after a day of volatile trade. AMD traded between $11.10 and $12.04 following release of the report from Tel Aviv-based CTS Labs.

    CTS executives told Reuters that they had shared their findings with some clients who pay the firm for proprietary research on vulnerabilities in computer hardware. They declined to identify their clients or say when they had provided them with data on the vulnerability.

    "I cant really talk about my clients," said Yaron Luk-Zilberman, chief financial officer at the firm that was founded in January 2017.

    Short-seller Viceroy Research published a 25-page report on the vulnerabilities on Tuesday, betting its shares will fall.

    AMD said that the report took it by surprise.

    "This company was previously unknown to AMD and we find it unusual for a security firm to publish its research to the press without providing a reasonable amount of time for the company to investigate and address its findings," AMD said in a note to customers on its website.

    Viceroy founder Fraser Perring told Reuters that somebody anonymously emailed him a draft of the report at about 4 p.m. on Monday. The firm spent much of the evening analyzing the situation and ended up taking a "sizeable" short position in AMD, he said.

    There has been increased investor interest in AMD since the beginning of the month, with options drawing large trades that appeared to be betting on increased near-term gyrations in the shares.

    Puts, options contracts that protect against a drop in the share price, were particularly active. Last week, the cumulative number of open put contracts outnumbered open calls 1.5-to-1, the most defensive this measure has been in more than two years, according to options analytics firm Trade Alert data. That measure declined slightly by Tuesday.

    On Friday and Monday, short selling of AMD's stock increased by about 15 million shares, according to S3 Partners, a financial analytics firm. That brought overall short interest in the chipmaker to about 180 million shares, the most since at least 2010.

    "Over the last several days there was a spike in short selling that was completely out of the norm," said Ihor Dusaniwsky, S3 Partners head of research.

    New York-based cyber security firm Trail of Bits told Reuters that it had verified the findings from CTS, which paid $16,000 for a review of the AMD vulnerabilities.


    A Trail of Bits analyst spent a week reviewing detailed technical reports from CTS, along with "proof of concept" code that could be used to launch attacks on computers running vulnerable AMD chips, Trail of Bits Chief Executive Dan Guido told Reuters.

    "These are real security issues in AMD code and processors" that hackers could exploit to manipulate or steal secure data, he said.

    For the attacks to work, an attacker must first obtain administrator access to a targeted network, Guido said. ( Reporting by Jim Finkle in Toronto, Arjun Panchadar; Additional reporting by Noel Randewich in New York, Saqib Ahmed in New York and Shariq Khan in Bengalure; Editing by Susan Thomas and Grant McCool)
    Edit!!

    Apparently the press were informed before AMD:

    https://twitter.com/IanCutress/statu...98276925689856
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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    you wont see or hear a media frenzy over this. and, the Intel haters will blame them for amd's flaws.

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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    Quote Originally Posted by ETR316 View Post
    you wont see or hear a media frenzy over this. and, the Intel haters will blame them for amd's flaws.
    AMD's flaws? What flaws? This is literally fake news. It is not an AMD flaw that someone with physical AND admin access to a computer can make potentially damaging changes to that machine. Find me a device where the exact same "flaws" can't be implemented, be it AMD, INTEL, ARM or anything else, past, present or future.

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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    Gamersnexus did a good summary of how ludricous the whole affair is:

    https://www.gamersnexus.net/industry...earch-cts-labs

    Basically whether the flaws are there are or not is one thing,but its been done in such a way AMD can't respond to any claims,let alone examine them. Intel knew for at least six months before it told anyone.
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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    All these flaws are amusingly based around:

    Your house is not safe against burglary because you gave them your front door keys...

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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

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    Quote Originally Posted by ETR316 View Post
    you wont see or hear a media frenzy over this. and, the Intel haters will blame them for amd's flaws.
    AMD's flaws? What flaws? This is literally fake news. It is not an AMD flaw that someone with physical AND admin access to a computer can make potentially damaging changes to that machine. Find me a device where the exact same "flaws" can't be implemented, be it AMD, INTEL, ARM or anything else, past, present or future.
    If I had to guess, he's for the firm involved. Most companies now are using actors to chime in on online discussions to try to sway it (really says a lot about how gullible we are).

    I can't remember who further up said it, but the news has no inclination in reporting the facts or waiting for them; they report the most sensational item, and do it first, to get those juicy juicy clicks. Anything past that is pointless, as it's not a money maker. And definitely not making corrections as they have to come from second hand information that they got wrong, nobody cares about that. The current state of the news is atrocious.

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    Re: AMD processors impacted by 13 serious flaws, says CTS Labs

    It's too late to scare me off, I've already bought a Ryzen 5 2400G..

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