Fallout 76 turns the gaming trolls into targets

[spacein_vader]

This stuff puts me off buying a game. I find it infuriating that I have to download a massive update to play single player offline. It's pointless and just wastes time, bandwidth and the 20 minutes I've found to dip into a game. These forced updates sometimes break the game. I'd much rather go back to ME managing my installed games and not having clients which need their own updates and ram ads down ytour throat all the time. Grump grump.

I've not found one yet that forces auto updates. It's usually set as default but certainly Steam, Origin and GOG Galaxy let you switch it off.

[EvilCycle]

...Doesn't stop you adding it into Steam to launch via that client does it?

You can add non-steam games into the client yes, but it won't launch the game. Steam will launch the game's app store and then the game, so then you have steam + another store app + game running + whatever other DRM is running like Denuvo for example.

It's not great.

[Ironbuket]

If you get double bounty for killing the person that killed you, cant this be used as an exploit by two players and they just kill each other over and over to make money?

Many griefers enjoy being hated, putting an icon over them on the map is like giving them a medal.

[Gerrard]

I've not found one yet that forces auto updates. It's usually set as default but certainly Steam, Origin and GOG Galaxy let you switch it off.

I don't think that's true for Steam anymore. Can't check right now, but I think they changed it in the last year or two, and whilst you can stop it downloading updates whenever Steam is running, it will insist on updating when you do want to play it. If you are lucky, some developers allow you to go into a "Beta" that allows you to run previous versions; particular useful for when running mods.

[Lord Midas]

If you get double bounty for killing the person that killed you, cant this be used as an exploit by two players and they just kill each other over and over to make money?

No, the money is taken from the player's own money. In essence you'll just trade the same amount of money between yourselves, not making money.

[philehidiot]

I don't think that's true for Steam anymore. Can't check right now, but I think they changed it in the last year or two, and whilst you can stop it downloading updates whenever Steam is running, it will insist on updating when you do want to play it. If you are lucky, some developers allow you to go into a "Beta" that allows you to run previous versions; particular useful for when running mods.

I'm referring directly to Steam - I've not found a way around it. If you know of one I'd love to hear it as it utterly infuriates me. The STUPID chat thing (that reminded me of MSN Messenger) that it forced in my face wound me up as well. How about a message box when you start it up saying "we have a new feature, would you like to enable it or not?" rather than putting it in my face and forcing me to dive into menus and settings to disable it?

I can absolutely understand forced updates for multiplayer games - that makes total sense and is essential. For single player games it should be entirely optional , BUT I would say that if you try and submit a bug report whinging because your game crashed and you're not running the latest update, it should inform you that bug reports will only be examined in the latest version. I find Steam annoying enough as it is. Games are supposed to reduce stress but just running one these days is a farce in itself.

Example: Far Cry 4.

Open Steam, forced update of Steam before it'll open, decide on Far Cry 4, open game, opens uPlay, forced update of uPlay, uPlay then forgets its stupidly complex saved password which you have to look up because you never type it and they all have stupid requirements, forced update of Far Cry 4.... an hour later I can play the game. Too late, the 30 minutes I had has now vanished. And yes, I know I could have gone straight to uPlay but this is an example of using Steam to pick which game you're going to waste your life on today. It's a farce and all about DRM and throwing ads for games down your throat. What they don't get is that people will pirate because often the pirate version doesn't force all this rubbish on you. When pirates are providing a better gaming experience, there's something wrong.

[Ttaskmaster]

I've not found one yet that forces auto updates.

Not so much, but you can't play them until you update, either... which I suppose is forced.
I remember restarting Mass Effect 2 once and it wouldn't let me play, telling me I had to go get the latest graphics drivers first!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I mod Fallout 4 and since updates can cause issues,so I set Steam to update the game when I launch it,and then use F4SE to launch it,which means Steam is bypassed.

[Ironbuket]

If you get double bounty for killing the person that killed you, cant this be used as an exploit by two players and they just kill each other over and over to make money?

No, the money is taken from the player's own money. In essence you'll just trade the same amount of money between yourselves, not making money.

So, we are assuming the double bounty is not a bonus added by the server then but rather the actual money on the griefer?

Ok, how about this then:

Griefer kills 50 newbs
Griefer gains massive bounty
Griefer’s friend consensually kills griefer removing bounty
Friend gives griefer back the money

Or other variations of wiping the bounty and siphoning the cash off to another toon. If the bounty only works on the actual money carried, then griefers will find a way of not carrying any?

[Gerrard]

I'm referring directly to Steam - I've not found a way around it. If you know of one I'd love to hear it as it utterly infuriates me.

The only one I know of is Stellaris, where under Properties->Betas tab, you can select a previous version. I then assume Steam won't update it anymore. But this option is dependant on the developers embracing it. Stellaris does because normally their bigger updates breaks save games, and being such a long game, would annoy people if they couldn't at least finish before updating. Plus some people just don't like their changes, but again normally end up using mods to fix that.

[SHSPVR]

So it's ok for Blizzard, EA and Valve to keep all the money from their game sales but not anyone else?

Very little when factor in all the cost at must they only be making about %5 more in the long run also min of US don't when a hundreds of game clients launcher which are no where near good as Steam we may as well just back to old days of manuel download and installer wasting more space.
Beside I have hugh library over 3000+ game that I have bought over the last 14 years thru Steam so I'm going to switch and it there lost not mine just like with Origin, EPIC, Window Store and even Uplay and as for Blizzard they can go drop dead for I care.

[spacein_vader]

Very little when factor in all the cost at must they only be making about %5 more in the long run also min of US don't when a hundreds of game clients launcher which are no where near good as Steam we may as well just back to old days of manuel download and installer wasting more space.
Beside I have hugh library over 3000+ game that I have bought over the last 14 years thru Steam so I'm going to switch and it there lost not mine just like with Origin, EPIC, Window Store and even Uplay and as for Blizzard they can go drop dead for I care.

So because Steam did it first the rest should just go along with it?

Steam isn't that great as a client, Discord offers better chat (and is about to open a better store,) GOG galaxy has a better interface and search and Origin has better customer support.

It's a lot better than uPlay I'll give you that.