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    KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    But upcoming versions of the house door lock will feature upgradable firmware.
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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    And that's why i pretty much stay away from anything wireless, only things i have are the phone - RC stuff and FPV transmitters.

    The home wifi that for all else are pretty much a must have drug,,,,, well i am clean if you dont count the cables routed throughout the apartment for internet and security cameras ( on a separate non connected devise of course )

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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    Presumably you're also locked out of your house in the event of a power cut... a great many of which I fully expect, once our new Labour Overlords take power later this week?

    Pretty much anything electronic is hackable anyway, from keyless cars to marital aids, to 'too-Smart-for-their-own-good' devices like this. I'm surprised that this is news to users.
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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    This is clearly bad and i'ts good they are fixing things, but ultimately this is still more secure than the vast majority of door locks in the UK.

    Most door locks are trivial to pick in seconds with a bit of practice, and many cheaper ones can simply be snapped anyway. The "hacks" on electronic locks generally require much more sophistication and effort/planning, and so whilst this is an issue, it's not necessarily a reason not to buy one.

    Of course, a good door lock with lot of security pins is a better, more secure option - but they also cost over £100 in general, and most people seem to speind more in the £10-£20 region for their locks...

    The bigger issue with smart locks that I have found is that it's very hard to find decent quality ones which are compatible with UK multi-point locking UPVC doors. There are a few, but they are either mega expensive or cheap and unreliable.

    Plenty of choice in the US though, just not much here..yet.

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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    I want to strap a claymore mine to my front door, so if tampering = shish kebab :-)
    Okay that will ruin some of my stuff, but really the price of a dead criminal can never be too high.

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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    Most door locks are trivial to pick in seconds with a bit of practice, and many cheaper ones can simply be snapped anyway.
    But neither are as easy as many people tend to assert... and not every lock can be snapped.
    Rather, a thief will look for an easier entry point... such as the window you left open!
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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Pretty much anything electronic is hackable anyway, from keyless cars to marital aids.
    Erm, I'm not sure I want to ask for links to stories about hacked marital aids, but I've always been a curious sort lol

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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    But neither are as easy as many people tend to assert... and not every lock can be snapped.
    Rather, a thief will look for an easier entry point... such as the window you left open!
    This is true....locks are generally a good deterrent regardless of their quality - a window is easier to smash and jump in through.

    I did want to test the theory of picking locks a few years ago, so I bought some Southord picks, a practice lock and watched some youtube videos.

    A day later, I decided to test it on my own front door. took me 10 minutes and I was in....they were standard locks the builder had used (its a newbuild property). Did the same with my euro cylinders on the french doors. My boss wasn't too impressed when I then tried it out at work either and again the doors just opened

    The same day I replaced my locks with good security locks and problem was solved. Really isn't difficult if you have a bit of dexterity, even on the "basic" security locks with a couple of mushroom pins.

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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Erm, I'm not sure I want to ask for links to stories about hacked marital aids, but I've always been a curious sort lol
    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/sex-...s-security-fix

    You literally can't make this up...

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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Erm, I'm not sure I want to ask for links to stories about hacked marital aids, but I've always been a curious sort lol
    I've discussed it at length on this forum already...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    This is true....locks are generally a good deterrent regardless of their quality - a window is easier to smash and jump in through.
    Not even - A great many security features are simply bypassed using non-destructive methods.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    The same day I replaced my locks with good security locks and problem was solved. Really isn't difficult if you have a bit of dexterity, even on the "basic" security locks with a couple of mushroom pins.
    Again, bypass. Picking requires practice and dexterity, even bumping needs a certain touch. As a former locksporter myself, burgling a house is far simpler with bypass tools... and they exist for just about every lock within the realm of affordable home security.
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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentle Viking View Post
    I want to strap a claymore mine to my front door, so if tampering = shish kebab :-)
    Okay that will ruin some of my stuff, but really the price of a dead criminal can never be too high.
    Tripwire and a shotgun is probably cheaper

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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    This is clearly bad and i'ts good they are fixing things, but ultimately this is still more secure than the vast majority of door locks in the UK.

    Most door locks are trivial to pick in seconds with a bit of practice, and many cheaper ones can simply be snapped anyway. The "hacks" on electronic locks generally require much more sophistication and effort/planning, and so whilst this is an issue, it's not necessarily a reason not to buy one.

    Of course, a good door lock with lot of security pins is a better, more secure option - but they also cost over £100 in general, and most people seem to speind more in the £10-£20 region for their locks...

    The bigger issue with smart locks that I have found is that it's very hard to find decent quality ones which are compatible with UK multi-point locking UPVC doors. There are a few, but they are either mega expensive or cheap and unreliable.

    Plenty of choice in the US though, just not much here..yet.
    I pick locks. I also had a copper review our house security as part of our firearms stuff.

    If your house front door cylinder is of the pin tumber type and is more than 10 years old, replace it.

    Modern Eurolock cylinders at a cost of ~£12+ will usually have a security pin or two out of six, scores in the side and basic anti drill protection. They can't be raked and single pin picking is possible but requires even an autist a few months to get the skill level needed.

    The other thing which has happened is that the tolerances have got better as manufacturing has improved. This means that even the cheaper cylinders are making it hard to defeat even a couple of spool pins and certainly not in the time required for a break in.

    So yes, if you have oldish locks then the thieves will go for them and that's the trend identified by my firearms guy. I recently bought a tenners worth of Eurocylinder and a mate and me examined it down the pub. It had basic security features in all the right places and the tolerances were excellent. It took me 9 minutes to pick it. Bear in mind I picked a drugs cupboard rated lock in around 30 seconds so 9 minutes isn't bad. That's 9 minutes sat comfortably not checking my back as well, rather than bent over and flinching at every noise.

    The real issue on modern locks is ensuring they are fitted properly with the correct mounting hardware. Most locks have particular fitting instructions but when things are replaced, most people just use what works for them, rather than what works for that particular lock system.

    Security is about time. Make breaking in take long enough and be noisy enough and your lock will have done its job. Add in another layer or two and they will just walk away and not bother.

    I do agree that the technical skill to do this is not exactly common but what happens is someone learns how to do it, pops it into a product and sells it. Thieves buy it and target rich people who can afford these kinds of systems.

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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    Ah, the joy of living in an area where you could leave your door unlocked for months at a time without anything happening.

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    Re: KeyWe smart lock vulnerability can't be patched

    Quote Originally Posted by this_is_gav View Post
    Ah, the joy of living in an area where you could leave your door unlocked for months at a time without anything happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by this_is_gav View Post
    Ah, the joy of living in an area where you could leave your door unlocked for months at a time without anything happening.
    Well it would be hard to get away with anything if you live in a place where everyone's related...

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