Early listings reveal first 8C/16T AMD Ryzen 4000 mobile APUs

[DanceswithUnix]

Is that the case? I was under the impression that Ryzen 4000 would be Zen3?

They always seem to do a refresh, like the 2000 series was zen+ not zen2.

[tombaker]

I think they are literally going around getting devs to understand they are putting out a LOT more perf next gen so start taking advantage now. I can't remember when I last seen them do this so in your face and public and I've been doing this since about 3-5yrs after they started. It could be hype but I think they are really telling it like it is. Devs will have far more power with RTX 7nm.

[watercooled]

They always seem to do a refresh, like the 2000 series was zen+ not zen2.

They did a refresh with Zen1, but I don't recall hearing of any such refresh for Zen2 or seeing it on any roadmaps, the most recent I've seen being this one: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ry...yzen-3000.html

Zen3 is, AFAIK, scheduled for some time in 2020, which doesn't leave much time for a Zen2 refresh so soon after its initial release. Unless of course they call the APUs 4000 series and Zen3 5000 but it's not really a refresh in that case.

Edit: Links to some more roadmaps:
https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/...pu_q2_2018.png
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14525...-and-epyc-rome
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14...9-page-003.jpg

[albert89]

@Ulti, agree with your comments.
But it would be interesting to see
what latency gains are had, at such
a never before attempted monolith by AMD.
Personally the sweet spot is a 6 core, no
thread beefed up dGPU, as DX12 seems to love
this configuration.

[DanceswithUnix]

They did a refresh with Zen1, but I don't recall hearing of any such refresh for Zen2 or seeing it on any roadmaps, the most recent I've seen being this one: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ry...yzen-3000.html

They did a refresh with Trinity on socket FM2, Piledriver was a refresh and bug fix of Bulldozer. Just seems to be what AMD do.

[watercooled]

Based on this just-published interview, the official word seems to be 'no comment': https://www.anandtech.com/show/15268...oom-at-the-top

I can't remember exactly, was Zen+ showing up in roadmaps around this time, relatively speaking? Because Zen2+ isn't mentioned at all, and you have to ask what it would bring. Zen+ brought 12nm which IIRC took relatively little work to move from 14nm, but if they're thinking of e.g. moving Zen2 to 7nm EUV (whatever it's called), I wonder what sort of costs would be involved, and whether it would be worth it vs just waiting for Zen3.

Edit: Apparently Zen+ was first mentioned at Hot Chips 2016, for an April 2018 release.

Edit2: Found the slide: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/10...l-page-018.jpg

[persimmon]

Sorry ..RAzer = Walletrape .. I dont intend being a %metoo victim.
APU @ 45,35,25w ... I might go for a 2000 instead,2700 ??