Intel releases 10th Gen Core chips for mainstream desktop

[Tabbykatze]

Interesting that all have hyper-threading. Some have argued hyper-threading poses a risk.

I often use 'good' desktops as cheaper workstations, and when you are compute bound, hyper-threading often doesn't add any performance gain.

Until post skylake, Hyper Threading is recommended off for security.

[Percy1983]

Well if you're buying from new its not doa or upgrading from older platform. AM4 has 1 more generation and 1200 has this and another generation. So you could even argue 1200 socket will last longer

The socket will but the chipset wont last more than one generation so its new board whatever with intel.

[Xlucine]

Thinning the die is a good idea for a 250 W chip - der8auer found that similar reductions in thickness (~200 um) gave a 5 C improvement for what was probably a lower power level (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Doo-zgyQs).

I think the i3s have a hard time against the R3s - bearing in mind that the published intel prices are the bulk ones (so price to us will be higher) they're all going to be substantially more expensive than the priciest R3. The 3300X also has practical clock speed advantage compared to everything below the 100320, and supports higher memory, and more IO, and has lower platform costs (H310 costs about the same as B450, so whatever the 4XX equivalent is is unlikely to be different)

Well if you're buying from new its not doa or upgrading from older platform. AM4 has 1 more generation and 1200 has this and another generation. So you could even argue 1200 socket will last longer

The physical socket will last, but odds are that modern connectivity will need a Z590 chipset and a new CPU. Bit lame for a £500 chip!

It's interesting that AMD managed to make PCIe4 work on a socket older than LGA1151v2. The power supply on lesser 1151 boards isn't an issue for a competent design - intel has the boost power limits that can be adjusted by the motherboard, and AMD goes as far as to directly ask the motherboard how much current it's happy to supply (so putting a 109000K on a H310 board would mean that the 5.3 GHz for 5.3 s party trick wouldn't work, but it'll still be a competent chip). Intel could have made this work on 1151, but clearly chose not to (so that's 3 non-interchangeable sockets for the same arch!)

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The Intel ARK price for the Core i5 9400F and the Intel tray price for the Core i5 10400F are very similar. So I would expect that the Core i5 10400F will be closely priced to the Ryzen 5 3600,as the Core i5 9400F is currently cheaper.

If you look at the review of the Ryzen 5 3500X and the Core i5 9400F,they are very close in clockspeeds and are both 6C/6T:
https://www.techspot.com/review/1966-amd-ryzen-5-3500x/

Look at the games where the Ryzen 5 3600 does better,and that is down to the SMT. So the Core i5 10400F will add a similar performance boost because of its SMT.

Providing the Core i5 10400F does not throttle,I think it will perform quite closely to the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 3600X.

[philehidiot]

Until post skylake, Hyper Threading is recommended off for security.

How I laughed at that.

Intel: "Hyperthreading is so awesome you must have it, it's worth upgrading to the next chip up and paying a fortune for silly-cone that exists on the cheaper chip to be actually switched on! The performance upgrade is incredible, we love hyper threading and you should too."

*Side channel attacks use vulnerabilities in hyperthreading*

Intel: "Hyperthreading? Bah, you don't need that. Just turn it off. Barely does anything anyway. Hardly any improvement in performance, really just a marketing gimmick. What? Money back? No, no, no. YOU chose to buy the hyperthreaded chip which, as we have just established, does nothing anyway and as there's no benefit it's really all your fault for handing us money for nothing and by telling you to turn it off or get hacked, we're really taking nothing away and enhancing your security as a service to you. Off you trot and feel free to not ditch us for AMD next time round."

[philehidiot]

Thinning the die is a good idea for a 250 W chip

You've not seen me with a Dremel, have you? Last time I tried to chop a bolt in half, I almost disembowelled myself. "Thinning the die" sounds great in theory but in practice there's only one kind of die that we're gonna be talking about.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm going to drink some floor cleaner for when I do some sawing tomorrow. Way I see it, it'll save time and effort when my guts fall out.

[cheesemp]

Too little, too late Intel. I have a 3600 and B450 board ready to build for my birthday in a few weeks.

[Iota]

Interesting that all have hyper-threading. Some have argued hyper-threading poses a risk.

I often use 'good' desktops as cheaper workstations, and when you are compute bound, hyper-threading often doesn't add any performance gain.

It is interesting that Hyper-threading has made it's way back, considering the security issues that it posed on prior generations. I just see it as "trying" to compete with AMD by upping the theoretical core count of their chips, without adding any cores. When I upgraded last year, the 9700k tended to perform just as well (or slightly better) in most gaming benchmarks compared to the 9900k. I suspect some of that was down to thermals and throttling, because TDP means something entirely different to Intel.

It'll be interesting to see the actual reviews at some point, not that I'd even consider upgrading my 9700k to an Intel system due to having to replace the motherboard yet again (if I have to do that I'd go for AMD).

[lumireleon]

HAHA so you get a celeron and have to buy a new board, epic fail product stuck (PCIE4?). And the issue of the iGPU, who buys a +$200 just to use it? Intel is wasting precious die space.

[MagicWok]

What still puts me off is there is no sign that Intel will relent on forcing your to also swap out your motherboard with new generations/version numbers. It's what makes for me, and I'd imagine a fair few people buying new hardware now, AMD so appealing having a genuine upgrade path.

[Terbinator]

When are we meant to be getting reviews for these? Interested to see TDP figures.

[3dcandy]

When are we meant to be getting reviews for these? Interested to see TDP figures.

I can answer that - high and hot if you want maximum performance

[DanceswithUnix]

The i3s don't support ECC anymore, per Intel's ark. Previous gens always did, but I guess now it's Xeon E or nothing.

Kind of expected though, the dual core part were never going to cut into Xeon sales but there is no way a modern 6 core i3 is going to get useful features.

Thankfully the new Ryzen 3100 is very cheap and should have ECC support.

[ftahir192]

Interested in how AMD's Zen 3 chips will compare to this. Hopefully more competitive priicng.

[HacKage]

Interested in how AMD's Zen 3 chips will compare to this. Hopefully more competitive priicng.

I think as well as Zen 3 being an option, it will greatly reduce the likes of the 3900x chips. Currently £384 on Amazon, I'd imagine that they will drop closer to being £100-150 cheaper than the 10900KF when released.

[Teece]

The i3s don't support ECC anymore, per Intel's ark. Previous gens always did, but I guess now it's Xeon E or nothing.

And no mention of Xeon E in the initial release. The current E series is still pretty hard to get hold of.