Microsoft shares IE 11 and legacy Edge phase-out timetable

[HEXUS]

Legacy Edge reaches EOL in 3/2021. Microsoft 365 won't support IE11 after 8/2021.

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[simonpreston]

Web Developers everywhere: "Rejoice!"

Until they find out the managers have signed contracts, with clients, telling them they'll continue to support IE for another 10 years.

[Ttaskmaster]

I've never actually used Edge, but for some reason both it and IE get installed with Win10.
Are they not both internet browsers? If so, why have two of them?

[simonpreston]

Are they not both internet browsers? If so, why have two of them?

Resistance to change, mainly. Edge was supposed to the successor to IE. However, loads of business run on Internet Explorer friendly applications, that would be a right pain in the arse to rebuild, and so Windows 10 came with IE, as well as Edge, to keep businesses happy. Which meant businesses kept using IE, of course.
But it's a case of TS, now. They've had plenty of time to start reworking their applications to work well in Firefox and Chromium based browsers. IE has been a dead duck for years. Time to remove IE from Windows and Edgeium (which is the Chromium reimagining of Edge) will become the defacto web browser.

[Rubarb]

As much as i hated IE , I have to say it was far far better to use on a pc than edge or chrome ever was.
I just hate the way everything is starting to look like a bloody phone app nowadays.

[simonpreston]

As much as i hated IE , I have to say it was far far better to use on a pc than edge or chrome ever was.
I just hate the way everything is starting to look like a bloody phone app nowadays.

That's nothing to do with the browser though. You can easily make sites that look like they did back then, for Chrome, if you so wish. That's more to do with the 'mobile first' approach that has been gaining tractions for years, especially with frameworks such Bootstrap. Desktops have become more of a second class citizen. Easy to understand why though. if you make a website that works on a tiny screen, that expands out nicely, the larger the screen gets, it's far easier to design and maintain than one that has 2 completely different styles for mobile/tablet and desktop.

[Ttaskmaster]

IE has been a dead duck for years. Time to remove IE from Windows and Edgeium will become the defacto web browser.

But we still need IE.
It remains the most widely used browser in the world... for downloading a better browser!!

[spacein_vader]

But we still need IE.
It remains the most widely used browser in the world... for downloading a better browser!!

I'd challenge you to download a worse one with it.

At least they developed a sense of humour about it though:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lD9FAOPBiDk

[AGTDenton]

So in conclusion what they're trying to say is: So we still have 2 browsers one is more recommended than the other, like it was when we released Windows 10 in 2015

[Corky34]

I've never actually used Edge, but for some reason both it and IE get installed with Win10.
Are they not both internet browsers? If so, why have two of them?

Because Microsoft integrated the Trident rendering engine (what IE uses) into the OS and other parts of the OS depend on it.

At least when the new edge gets installed it removes the old edge and then you can uninstall the new edge leaving you with no edge (although that only works if it updates to the new edge via Windows update).

[LSG501]

Web Developers everywhere: "Rejoice!"

Not so sure about that...hasn't chrome become a bit like IE of old with it's own custom API's and the likes which don't follow 'standardised' web code.

Now it's a case of ensuring what you do for chrome works on every other browser which doesn't use chrome as a base or have access to the api's, not to mention if google decides to abandon/change one of their API's or one of their custom implementations of a non finalised standard.

[ik9000]

the one thing ie11 does better than any other browser I've tried is the ability to customise print output. I know these days that's probably a bit niche but it really is useful being able to print-selection only- format page etc. I have yet to find a way to get firefox, edge, etc to do this as easily or with as good an output to make ready pdf archives of relevant articles, news etc for archiving. Back in ie8 days you could save the webpage as mht and view offline, now with no offline option it just tries to reload the page online and craps out or displays updated content/404 etc. Am I the only one who has to archive references etc? Surely other people in the world still need this?

[Rubarb]

the one thing ie11 does better than any other browser I've tried is the ability to customise print output. I know these days that's probably a bit niche but it really is useful being able to print-selection only- format page etc. I have yet to find a way to get firefox, edge, etc to do this as easily or with as good an output to make ready pdf archives of relevant articles, news etc for archiving. Back in ie8 days you could save the webpage as mht and view offline, now with no offline option it just tries to reload the page online and craps out or displays updated content/404 etc. Am I the only one who has to archive references etc? Surely other people in the world still need this?

As the Boomers have said to me who prints now I just use my mobile (and walk about looking like a zombie all day etc)

[Xlucine]

the one thing ie11 does better than any other browser I've tried is the ability to customise print output. I know these days that's probably a bit niche but it really is useful being able to print-selection only- format page etc. I have yet to find a way to get firefox, edge, etc to do this as easily or with as good an output to make ready pdf archives of relevant articles, news etc for archiving. Back in ie8 days you could save the webpage as mht and view offline, now with no offline option it just tries to reload the page online and craps out or displays updated content/404 etc. Am I the only one who has to archive references etc? Surely other people in the world still need this?

I've had good luck with firefox and "save page as" to get HTML documents. It's a bit messier than pdfs (you get a folder as well as the html), but it works and stays local when you open it

[ik9000]

I've had good luck with firefox and "save page as" to get HTML documents. It's a bit messier than pdfs (you get a folder as well as the html), but it works and stays local when you open it

I wonder if the issue is our default browser is set to MS then? I will see if we can test moving it to FF. A lot of out intranet only works on ie/edge hence we've kept those as the default but let people have other ones installed of they want them. We have other stuff that needs Chrome to work. It's all a mess really!

[Ttaskmaster]

As the Boomers have said to me who prints now I just use my mobile (and walk about looking like a zombie all day etc)

I print maps.
Sometimes it's a small A4 one, sometimes it's A3 or A0, sometimes it's bigger than a bedsheet. Depends on the work (or where I'm hiking to).

So until they make an affordable, waterproof, easily portable smartphone that can display a map ^that big, with a battery that lasts several days in GPS mode, old school remains the best option.