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    As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    And JPR says that overall dGPU shipments were up 6.55 per cent in Q2 2020.
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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    I hope it would be a little different, maybe 1% for intel but need to get AMD closer to 50% to ensure a healthy market.

    Do I think it will be any different? No, am worried it will actually be worse!

    People that complain about companies abusing dominant market positions and exploiting consumers tend to also be the same people that comtinue to buy from these companies that only serves to reinforce it.

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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    I am somewhat saddened to see AMD's share dropping when their 5700 series is so price/performance competative. I'm guessing that Nvidia's oem volumes are key, and china/far east penetration. Brand recognition is stronger for Nvidia too, but it is still disheartening to see AMD have good products and not get the sales. I find myself forgetting that the lower end RDNA cards exist, and that's usually where the volume is - AMD get marketting!

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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    Competition is good, hope AMD's new cards can turn this around and that the issues that Nvidia are rumoured to have are true, win win for the customer..

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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    Quote Originally Posted by Irien View Post
    I am somewhat saddened to see AMD's share dropping when their 5700 series is so price/performance competative. I'm guessing that Nvidia's oem volumes are key, and china/far east penetration. Brand recognition is stronger for Nvidia too, but it is still disheartening to see AMD have good products and not get the sales. I find myself forgetting that the lower end RDNA cards exist, and that's usually where the volume is - AMD get marketting!
    It's probably because of the future proofing of RTX and huge benefits of DLSS 2.0 now that higher res screens are a lot more common, combined with AMD's greater focus on the console market.

    Those differences should be erased over the next couple of years so AMD should be able to catch up more.

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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    Quote Originally Posted by HW90 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Irien View Post
    I am somewhat saddened to see AMD's share dropping when their 5700 series is so price/performance competative. I'm guessing that Nvidia's oem volumes are key, and china/far east penetration. Brand recognition is stronger for Nvidia too, but it is still disheartening to see AMD have good products and not get the sales. I find myself forgetting that the lower end RDNA cards exist, and that's usually where the volume is - AMD get marketting!
    It's probably because of the future proofing of RTX and huge benefits of DLSS 2.0 now that higher res screens are a lot more common, combined with AMD's greater focus on the console market.

    Those differences should be erased over the next couple of years so AMD should be able to catch up more.
    Rather it was because of cooling issues with 5700, people are strongly disgusted by the issues with AMD GPUs(drivers), so they are prefer to pay more for stable device (that was at least reason my colleagues bought nvidia instead of AMD)

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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    "5700 series" i choose to read that as 5700 cards ( just two of them, so about as small as a series cam be )

    My 5700 XT have performed well so far, but that i have had no grief with them is probably founded in me not playing any games.
    But on the whole i must admit that AMD could do better on their drivers compared to Nvidia.

    No cooling issues here ( red devil ) and i still have not put the H2O head on the damn thing.

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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    AMD used rubbish reference coolers on the RX5700 series,the RX5600XT launch was terrible,and the 5500XT is a terrible and overpriced product. The 5500XT is not only shamed by Polaris being better value,the GTX1650 Super is cheaper than the 4GB model and the GTX1660 and GTX1660 Super cost the same as the 8GB model.

    Then there were the driver issues people were reporting and AMD also got greedy. Leaks showed the RX5700XT was going to be called an RX680 with probably lower pricing. Yet when they saw Turing launch,they jacked up pricing,and were forced to drop pricing more,when Nvidia dropped RTX2060 pricing. As much as I think RTX was overblown,Nvidia had basic RT,and also better DX12 features such as VRS,etc also. Navi is worse specified in these areas.

    The issue is apart from some very good reference RX5700 deals,Nvidia wasn't massively more expensive in many areas.

    The fact is AMD needs to do what ATI does,and have a good launch,not use rubbish coolers and stop all this rubbish "we are a premium brand" idea. Ryzen wasn't as good as Skylake but AMD priced it much lower,and added platform benefits,decent stock coolers,etc. If they want to price closer to Nvidia,they need to have better launches and simply better products. If they want to make their products more expensive,it means people like me who go by price/performance will also look at Nvidia offerings.

    Its quite clear despite everyone blaming Raja Koduri,that even nearly three years after he left,AMD are heading for another bout of sub 20% sales share,which Polaris didn't have. They are doing this during a pandemic where more people are staying at home,and more GPUs are being sold. This shows they still have deep problems in being able to actually make a coherent launch,and have a coherent lineup of GPUs.

    It is an utter disaster that in 12 months their sales share has plummeted by 33% and this is with Turing which was incredibly overpriced. Last time Nvidia tried that with the GTX200 series,ATI managed to use the HD4870 to at least keep some share,this time RTG has managed to make ovepriced Turing crater their own sales.

    If they don't get their arse into gear,RDNA2.0 will become another failure. Nvidia is literally giving RTG chances(Turing having a price hike,not fully supported features and mediocre generational improvements),and this time it looks like Ampere might be a chunky chappy consuming a lot of power. Yet,RTG seems unable to even launch their own products in a properly working order.

    Look at laptops?? How many AMD dGPUs do you find in AMD Zen laptops?? Its a joke,that Zen is helping sell more Nvidia dGPUs. There seems to be wonky crosstalk between the CPU and GPU divisions,even though there was noise of closer integration.

    They have no excuse now,with the positive PR of Zen as a brand,and actually having more money to spend.
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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

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    Trig;304]Competition is good, hope AMD's new cards can turn this around and that the issues that Nvidia are rumoured to have are true, win win for the customer..
    How Is the second half of your comment meant to show a win-win for the consumer?
    Lack of choice for the consumer is bad for the consumer.
    You Come of a more of an AMD fanboy/shill.

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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    Well, with Nvidia at 80%, a serious misstep is a good thing for the consumer as only that will will be force them to charge less and AMD (and Intel eventually) have a better chance of coming up with alternatives if they actually sell.
    Often in the past, Nvidia outsold AMD even when their cards weren't better.
    For consumers the ideal situation would be for all three vendors to sit at around 30% marketshare.
    Actually, since I do watch the dirty tricks which Nvidia (and Intel) play, I have always felt bad when buying Nvidia cards.
    And AMD's recent success with Ryzen does have something to do with Intel's poor execution as if Intel had reached their node targets on time (they've been very late since 14nm as Broadwell was also late), then AMD would have had less success. Hence, Intel's misstep has been good for consumers.
    Yes, the old cliche of "all companies are bad and out to make money, so it makes no difference which one you choose" will come up, but it is rather a hollow argument.
    Given the choice between buying from a company known to actively do anti-consumer things (Nvidia is up there with Apple), and one far less likely to do so, there is no point as a consumer in saying "if they had 80% of the market, they'd do the same" because we can only base judgement on what has actually happened.
    BTW, the same thing goes for politicians. Voting for self-declared sociopaths (or someone easily judged to be sociopaths) with the excuse of "they are all equally bad, so let's vote for entertainment" is likely to backfire.
    In either case, expecting saints is naive, but if you vote (via wallet or ballot) for a devil, you can be pretty sure to get one.

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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    Quote Originally Posted by will19565 View Post
    How Is the second half of your comment meant to show a win-win for the consumer?
    Lack of choice for the consumer is bad for the consumer.
    You Come of a more of an AMD fanboy/shill.
    We can do without the fanboy/shill comments. If Nvidia have issues, they're not going to be bad enough to take them out of the market altogether, just give AMD a chance at parity. That's why it might be win for the consumer (but it's not win-win, it's lose-win nvidia-consumer).

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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    RTG needs to be able to capitalise on those problems,but clearly despite Turing being mediocre in terms of price/performance or even use of its key features, Navi sales are cratering. ATI was apparently far better in exploiting Nvidia problems,than RTG is able to do. 20% sales share is a few percentage points off the all time low of 17% AMD had a few years ago,and with Ampere next month,I expect the next JPR quarter will have AMD going under 20% again.


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    Re: As GeForce Ampere looms, Nvidia holds 80 per cent of the market

    Quote Originally Posted by will19565 View Post
    How Is the second half of your comment meant to show a win-win for the consumer?
    Lack of choice for the consumer is bad for the consumer.
    You Come of a more of an AMD fanboy/shill.
    If AMD release cards with the performance of the Nvidia ones, that'll start a price war, a win for the customer.
    If the Nvidia cards arent as powerful, then that either gives AMD a good reason to go over Nvidia on the price, but thats not likely given where Nvdia cards are priced, so price war, good for the customer.
    If the AMD cards are as near as damn it to the Nvidia cards, then that gives the customer more of a choice on which cards they can buy, a win for the customer.
    If the rumours about heat and power requirements mean that Nvidia are going to struggle, they'll have to adjust the pricing, win for the customer..

    I am neither pro AMD or Nvidia, so if anyone is coming off as anything, its you, twinkle toes, but not as a fanboy or a shill...

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