AMD Ryzen 9 5900X CPU-Z bench shows impressive 1T gains

[philehidiot]

I've only just moved from DDR3. It took a long time before I was caused any significant issues from RAM bandwidth bottlenecking. I suspect if you buy a new mobo and have DDR4 to carry over, you won't suffer for a few years. They simply can't start optimising for DDR5 over DDR4 until the market penetration is good enough.

It's tempting to say that we won't see any real gaming benefits from these new CPUs, (recent history says to me that over a threshold, CPU improvements provide such small FPS increases that there's almost always somewhere better to spend the money) but having seen CPU bottlenecking at 1440p in some benchmarks with the latest GPUs, it may not be the case.

[3dcandy]

I've only just moved from DDR3. It took a long time before I was caused any significant issues from RAM bandwidth bottlenecking. I suspect if you buy a new mobo and have DDR4 to carry over, you won't suffer for a few years. They simply can't start optimising for DDR5 over DDR4 until the market penetration is good enough.

It's tempting to say that we won't see any real gaming benefits from these new CPUs, (recent history says to me that over a threshold, CPU improvements provide such small FPS increases that there's almost always somewhere better to spend the money) but having seen CPU bottlenecking at 1440p in some benchmarks with the latest GPUs, it may not be the case.

Already leaks with fairly decent gaming increases but not at 1080p and 1440p. Europe seems to be the only places that still seem to be hanging on to lower resolution gaming. My American buddies wouldn't be seen dead at anything below 2k these days or 4k for most is the norm

[darcotech]

What I would like is an APU with 8cores/16threads, but a GPU as powerful is they can have one.

[3dcandy]

What I would like is an APU with 8cores/16threads, but a GPU as powerful is they can have one.

can't see it happening for a bit. 4c8t most people seem to want

[ByteMyAscii]

I've only just moved from DDR3. It took a long time before I was caused any significant issues from RAM bandwidth bottlenecking. I suspect if you buy a new mobo and have DDR4 to carry over, you won't suffer for a few years. They simply can't start optimising for DDR5 over DDR4 until the market penetration is good enough.

It's tempting to say that we won't see any real gaming benefits from these new CPUs, (recent history says to me that over a threshold, CPU improvements provide such small FPS increases that there's almost always somewhere better to spend the money) but having seen CPU bottlenecking at 1440p in some benchmarks with the latest GPUs, it may not be the case.

Already leaks with fairly decent gaming increases but not at 1080p and 1440p. Europe seems to be the only places that still seem to be hanging on to lower resolution gaming. My American buddies wouldn't be seen dead at anything below 2k these days or 4k for most is the norm

That isn't close to being true.
Steam Hardware Survey in August this year has 1920x1080 at over 65%, and 4k at less than 3%.
I would think your buddy selection is skewed towards enthusiasts, which aren't close to being representative of most.

[3dcandy]

That isn't close to being true.
Steam Hardware Survey in August this year has 1920x1080 at over 65%, and 4k at less than 3%.
I would think your buddy selection is skewed towards enthusiasts, which aren't close to being representative of most.

And you think that Steam is like representative? I really know of very few now that want to game at 1080p. Just because Steam has loads at that figures I know plenty of people who won't touch Steam at all...

Figures don't tell the whole story. Casual gamers might make up huge amounts but that's because they will game on laptops etc. not even gaming laptops. You are not going to buy this cpu and not want to game at higher resolutions than 1080p or 1440p...

[Terbinator]

That isn't close to being true.
Steam Hardware Survey in August this year has 1920x1080 at over 65%, and 4k at less than 3%.
I would think your buddy selection is skewed towards enthusiasts, which aren't close to being representative of most.

Whilst I'm not saying this is the case, there hasn't really been any reason for people to play at their native monitor res if they had extra performance for the best part of 10 years now (on Nivida at least). Custom resolutions with HDMI 1.4 cards started around 2011 IIRC in Nvidia drivers - maybe even before.

[DanceswithUnix]

That isn't close to being true.
Steam Hardware Survey in August this year has 1920x1080 at over 65%, and 4k at less than 3%.
I would think your buddy selection is skewed towards enthusiasts, which aren't close to being representative of most.

Steam survey is clearly mostly cheap laptops, dominated by 1080p and below with integrated graphics.

Most people I know are split between 2K, 4K and various ultrawide setups.

[3dcandy]

Steam survey is clearly mostly cheap laptops, dominated by 1080p and below with integrated graphics.

Most people I know are split between 2K, 4K and various ultrawide setups.

Same here. We in the UK seem to believe that spending money on a pc is old hat. I do livestreaming and people wonder why their £10 webcam
ruins the video.... yours look so good. Yeah I have a £100 logitech, a dslr and a 360 camera

[badass]

On the DDR4 vs DDR5 thing:
What are the benefits of DDR5 over DDR4? More bandwidth (latency in absolute terms will be more or less the same - like the DDR3-DDR4 transition)
What do you need more bandwidth for? Lots of cores or an APU.

I'd say if you're looking at a CPU with 8 cores or less, the difference between a DDR4-3000 and DDR5-6400 for the vast majority will be imperceptible. Those few cases where the memory bandwidth is the bottleneck will be niche.

The advantage will be with APU's and the many core CPU's. I don't think it is an understatement to say that every modern APU on sale today has memory bandwidth as its primary bottleneck.

On the APUs side, where would someone both be considering an APU AND spending a fortune on DDR5? In most cases they will be better off going for a low powered discrete GFx card.

So that just leaves the >8 core CPU's.

[ik9000]

I do livestreaming

livestreaming, candy, 3D. Ah.... suddenly the username clicks into place.

[Tabbykatze]

livestreaming, candy, 3D. Ah.... suddenly the username clicks into place.

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