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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Quick question - Why are Intel even on the dGPU chart?
    Last I heard, they haven't even released their rumoured/expected GPUs, so how are they even a factor in market share at this point?
    They've been in the GPU charts for years:

    https://hexus.net/business/news/comp...ket-share-amd/
    that's from 2014.
    Unsure how long they've snuck into the dGPU charts but it looks like just now? Guess JPR are hedging their bets.

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    They've been in the GPU charts for years:

    https://hexus.net/business/news/comp...ket-share-amd/
    that's from 2014.
    Unsure how long they've snuck into the dGPU charts but it looks like just now? Guess JPR are hedging their bets.
    That's all GPUs including iGPU which nearly every Intel processor has one and is recorded as part of the statistics even if there is dGPU installed so those figures are misleading at best although accurate if you take "GPU" as a loose term covering both.

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    like a chihuahua urinating on the towering inferno
    Thanks for that image, certainly made me smile anyway!

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Quote Originally Posted by picard View Post
    It would have been informative if some idea of where these 119mil had gone to.Scan etc have not been selling them.
    Please, PLEASE, try not to order from Scan (Scam). If you have an issue you'll get charged a re-stocking fee and no matter what you say... . Amazon... You know where you stand with them. Heck, Scam might be better, but I doubt it.

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur1814 View Post
    Please, PLEASE, try not to order from Scan (Scam). If you have an issue you'll get charged a re-stocking fee and no matter what you say... . Amazon... You know where you stand with them. Heck, Scam might be better, but I doubt it.

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    Restocking fees are illegal under CCR. Report any UK companies that charge them to trading standards.

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Excuse me? In what universe?

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Quote Originally Posted by aniilv View Post
    Excuse me? In what universe?
    The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013
    Section 34 - Reimbursement by trader in the event of withdrawal or cancellation.

    "(8)The trader must not impose any fee on the consumer in respect of the reimbursement".


    Full and searchable text here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/...0133134_en.pdf
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    like a chihuahua urinating on a towering inferno...

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013
    Section 34 - Reimbursement by trader in the event of withdrawal or cancellation.

    "(8)The trader must not impose any fee on the consumer in respect of the reimbursement".


    Full and searchable text here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/...0133134_en.pdf
    Yep has been illegal for years - still doesn't stop them trying it though, and according to most getting away with it too
    Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur1814 View Post
    Please, PLEASE, try not to order from Scan (Scam). If you have an issue you'll get charged a re-stocking fee and no matter what you say... . Amazon... You know where you stand with them. Heck, Scam might be better, but I doubt it.

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    I had an issue with a seasonic PSU and they didn't charge a restocking fee for the RMA. They also didn't charge a fee when the replacement had the same issue, or when the replacement replacement was the same (and at that point they gave me a full refund)

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    None of them were sold to me!!

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Thanks to KompuKare for posting this on OcUK forums:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news...ion-in-q1-2021





    The last boon happened during 2017/2018 and the last mining craze. Also people were already replacing systems in early 2020 as work from home and lockdowns were enacted worldwide. So the major sales increases happened before the latest mining boom. Look at how the price of GPUs have quadrupled in late 2020 and its coincided exactly with the mining boom.

    It seems OcUK even said that bots are just buying all their GPUs within minutes, and AFAIK this again was what happened during the last mining boom. JPR thinks its gamers,but prior history does not tally with this.

    You could see what was happening at each mining craze. Firstly, the higher end GPUs sold out and were jacked up in price,then the mainstream and then lower end ones. Its what you saw back in 2017/2018 - even a £160 RX470 would sell for close to £300 back then. Eventually when all the AMD GPUs sold out,the Nvidia ones starting selling out and so on.
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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post



    The last boon happened during 2017/2018 and the last mining craze. Also people were already replacing systems in early 2020 as work from home and lockdowns were enacted worldwide. So the major sales increases happened before the latest mining boom.
    But your graph shows otherwise - early 2020 is actually a dip in sales, it's only from Q3 2020 that it's increased to recent time highs (though still not at late 2017 levels - presumably that's substrate shortage at play).

    Also the graph shows what, 11.8 million dGPUs in Q1 2021? yet the headline article is talking about 119 million GPUs sold.. I guess they weren't discrete GPUs after all.
    Last edited by kalniel; 10-06-2021 at 09:37 PM.

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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    But your graph shows otherwise - early 2020 is actually a dip in sales, it's only from Q3 2020 that it's increased to recent time highs (though still not at late 2017 levels - presumably that's substrate shortage at play).
    Look quarter to quarter. Q2 2020 is 2.38 million more than Q2 2019. Q1,the pandemic was only just starting and I know many were tentatively holding off purchases. But if you go from Q1 to Q3 the biggest part of the increase happened there,which would match with the increase in PC sales. Q2 2020 is almost the same as Q2 2017,when mining was starting to ebb upwards,and better than Q2 2016. Q2 2018 was when mining was starting its downwards spiral.

    However in Q2 2020,GPU prices hadn't increased that much showing most demand was driven by gamers.

    Prices only ticked up between Q3 2020 and Q4 2020. That is exactly when mining started going upwards in October 2020.





    In some aspects its probably the biggest crypto boom.

    Retailers such as OcUK have gone into detail about the problems they have seen,once mining became a big deal again. The botting started mostly again in late 2020,and they have been talking about how miners have been snapping up a lot of their GPUs.

    Basically the bots would buy the GPUs even before people could click buy on the website by interfacing with it directly.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Also the graph shows what, 11.8 million dGPUs in Q1 2021? yet the headline article is talking about 119 million GPUs sold.. I guess they weren't discrete GPUs after all.
    AFAIK its both IGPs and dGPUs?? It does show how most PCs don't use a dGPU!!

    Edit!!

    I looked at the JPR article Hexus linked to and its poorly written.



    The chart shows Intel,so it includes IGPs too.
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    Re: 119 million PC GPUs were sold in Q1 2021, says JPR report

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    But your graph shows otherwise - early 2020 is actually a dip in sales,
    I'm guessing many were waiting for the RTX 30x0 range to come out from the surge in Nvidia numbers in Q3.

    It always felt like AMD just failed to turn up, which I think fits in with what we see on that graph. I wonder if that was down to the number of 5700X cards floating around in warehouses that AMD thought needed to be sold off, right up to the point that miners saw the spike coming and that these cheap GPUs had crazy hash rates.

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