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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    It's the drone weight - not the weight of the drone + phone and that drone will be way under 250g
    Not what my training said. It's the flying "mass" of the unit, i.e. MTOM, Maximum Take-Off Mass. Or to be specific, that's the basic criteria but depending on Class, there can also be velocity (19m/s) and kinetic energy (80J) limits they, and especially the latter, relate to havier drones.

    If I add even prop guards or a little plastic set of landing rails, by "under 250g" drone which is actually about 241g, goes over the 250g limit and nolonger qualifies for that class, so can't be used.

    Note - it isn't the design mass, or mass at retail time, but a limit on the maximum mass as it takes off. The Mini 2 I have is pretty small, but I only have about 8g to play with before the MTOM would go over (or to be more accurate, not be less than) 250, which might include an ultr bright LED, or the prop gurds, skids I already mentioned. I can add any of those I like, but if it hits 250g or more as a result, it moves the drone out of subcategory A1 - Under 250g and into A1 Transitional. Until end of next year, these are treated as A1 aircraft, but in the >=250 and <500g section and even in transition, you mustn't fly over people intentionally, After transition ends, they will be treated as A3, unlike the sub-250g drones for which their current A1 provisions are permanent.

    Anything of 500g or more, even during transition, is treated as A2 and mustn't be flown within 50m (horizontal distance) of (uninvolved) people. Over (or at) 500g and <2kg MTOM and they're classed as A3.

    Argh. This is horrible to try to cover.

    Let me try again.

    After 1/1/23, all drones will either ber officially classified with a C rating (C0 to C4) depending on primarily, MTOM, but also maxspeed and kinetic energy.

    They fall variously into the A1, A2 or A3 subcategory of the "Open" category.

    All the old rules ceased to apply at the start of this year so, right now, unless a drone has a C lass (and unless it's lauched very recently, nothing does, anywhere), they'll be treated as "legacy" aircraft, and in various A1 to A3 subcategories until end of next year whentransition ends.

    At that point, anything under 250g remains unaffected, but any legacy drones of 250g or more go into A3, which is substantially restricted.

    Right now, weight classes go from sub 250g, 250-sub-500g, 500g to sub 2Kg and up. After transition, it changes a bit with another cutoff between 250 and 2kg at 900g, but we'll also by then either be flying drones with a C rating, or "legacy" but other than sub 250g, the "legacy" drones get treated much more harshly than in transition.

    What you need in transition in terms of CAA approval also varies. Under 250g and you need an operator ID if it has a camera, and have read the drone manual. Over 250g and you need that, and a Flyer ID (which requires completing a basic online test called DMARES) and an A2 Cof C test.

    This all changes around a bit after transition ends, but then it's down to sub-250g being effectively unchanged, "legacy" over 250g treated as A3, and everything else by the C0 to C4 class, which is restricted by MTOM, max speed and for some, kinetic energy.

    In any event, since the start of this year at least, it's the MTOM that matters which, if a smartphone is on the drone, i.e. used as the camra system on the drone, will include the phone.

    If, on the other hand, the phone is part of the controller unit and held by the operator, then it isn't part of MTOM because it stays firmly on the ground. But in that case, it's exactly how many existing drones (including my Mini 2) work right now .... unless you spend several hundred pounds on the uprated DJI controller which, last time I looked, didn't work with the Mini 2. So my phone is needed to operate my drone (clipped in and cabled up) but not in/on the drone.

    You may well know all that, but I've tried (very badly) to cover it for anyone else that doesn't.

    In relation to this thread, either the phone is flying with the drone, it wghich case it'' go way over the 250g MTOM and even in transition, you need an A2CofC, or it isn't in the drone in which case, it's the way most cheaper drones already work (except the toys, with just a cheap radio).

    Phew. Sorry about the mess that post is but I can't be bothered to completely redo it.
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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    Quote Originally Posted by KultiVator View Post
    Hmmm... Phoney Drones sound cool for about 2 seconds and you think through the consequences of every chav wanting one (as I recall the stupid laser-pointer incident during England's penalty in last night's Euro match).
    There's already no control over who buys or flies one. Just who does it legally. You already need to register the drone and probably take a simple test and get a flyer ID. That tightens up a lot more in about 17 months when most drones, except sub-250g ones, will require doing the A2CofC as well, and for some drones, other (like GVC) too.

    It's getting regulated far more but still, idiots will be able to buy and fly drones without all that, but will be breaking the law if they do. Whether they stand to get caught .... that's another story. But they already can. I could go buy a racing type drone, weighing best part of a couple of pounds (nearly 1kg) and capable of something like 80mph, today. But 900g doing 80mph will probably kill someone if you manage to hit them in the head with it. I hope nobody is stupid enough to do that without knowing how to fly the damn thing. At those speeds, it isn't easy at all, any more than your normal driving licence means you can control an F1 car.
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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    There's already no control over who buys or flies one. Just who does it legally. You already need to register the drone and probably take a simple test and get a flyer ID. That tightens up a lot more in about 17 months when most drones, except sub-250g ones, will require doing the A2CofC as well, and for some drones, other (like GVC) too.

    It's getting regulated far more but still, idiots will be able to buy and fly drones without all that, but will be breaking the law if they do. Whether they stand to get caught .... that's another story. But they already can. I could go buy a racing type drone, weighing best part of a couple of pounds (nearly 1kg) and capable of something like 80mph, today. But 900g doing 80mph will probably kill someone if you manage to hit them in the head with it. I hope nobody is stupid enough to do that without knowing how to fly the damn thing. At those speeds, it isn't easy at all, any more than your normal driving licence means you can control an F1 car.
    Of course - I understand but simply put the drone won't be over 250g because they will say the phone is the controller as you quite rightly pointed out. And they will ensure it is so to comply with that if this POC ever takes off (I am truly sorry about that but it had to be done)

    Oh and last firmware update enabled the smart controller to work with the Mini 2 just for your info!
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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    Phone companies: The 3.5mm Headphone jack takes up too much space
    Also phone companies: Here's a freaking drone inside your smartphone

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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    Quote Originally Posted by FRISH View Post
    Phone companies: The 3.5mm Headphone jack takes up too much space
    Also phone companies: Here's a freaking drone inside your smartphone
    you mean Phone Companies: How can we sell people overpriced headphones that disconnect when you least need them to, and/or continually pick up too much background conversation in the office?

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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    Of course - I understand but simply put the drone won't be over 250g because they will say the phone is the controller as you quite rightly pointed out. And they will ensure it is so to comply with that if this POC ever takes off (I am truly sorry about that but it had to be done)

    Oh and last firmware update enabled the smart controller to work with the Mini 2 just for your info!
    It doesn't matter what they say the phone is if it's in the bit that flies. It's MTOM, remember? If, like mine, it is physically attached to my controller that's in my hands, it won't be taking off unless it's in my pocket next time I get on a plane.
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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    ....

    Oh and last firmware update enabled the smart controller to work with the Mini 2 just for your info!
    I was expecting that sooner or later, TBH, as it makes sense to do it. But I hadn't checked.

    /Note to self - upgrade firmware. Not that I intend to buy the smart controller. But still, upgrade firmware.
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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    Probably a bit more practical than current folding screens

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    It doesn't matter what they say the phone is if it's in the bit that flies. It's MTOM, remember? If, like mine, it is physically attached to my controller that's in my hands, it won't be taking off unless it's in my pocket next time I get on a plane.


    Drone is separate to phone, so under 250g (I bet by over an octave)

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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post
    Probably a bit more practical than current folding screens





    Drone is separate to phone, so under 250g (I bet by over an octave)
    This may be down to the browser I was using not showing a bit of animation, which made it look, in the absence of dimensions (as this appears to be concept) that the phone was in the drone, in which case, MTOM applies.

    If what they're really saying is the drone is tiny and is just housed inside the phone when not in use then mass isn't a problem but wind will be. There's a direct relationship between the overall mass of a drone, the motors required to get it airborne and controllable, and the battery size and weight needed to do it. And, of course, anticipated flight time. If this is a micro-drone stored inside a phone, then I don't envy the pilot's chances of controlling it in anything other than dead calm air. if a gnat farts, in Belgium, it'll blow this of-course, in the UK.

    Either way, it looks impractical.
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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    Animations / renders of this Vivo smartphone drone in use have been shared online.

    https://twitter.com/alvinfoo/status/1433406943784161286

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    Re: Vivo smartphone patent includes flying camera drone

    There is no way that would have the lift
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