Intel spills more details on upcoming Alder Lake CPUs

[HEXUS]

Going to be a busy autumn for Team Blue.

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[edmundhonda]

Am I missing something or is that 'www.intel.com/ArchDay21claims' link a 404? Very convenient that this happens every time they spin out some new promises and it's impossible to verify any of it.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

6C for mainstream for ever,with a few Atom cores tacked on. 6C has become the new 4C.

[mtyson]

Am I missing something or is that 'www.intel.com/ArchDay21claims' link a 404? Very convenient that this happens every time they spin out some new promises and it's impossible to verify any of it.

Seems to be working for me. I was redirected to here though:
https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us...ture-day-2021/

[Iota]

The top part will feature eight hyperthreaded Performance cores and eight Efficient cores, for a total of 24-thread processing. That is still behind the 16C32T topology of the latest AMD Ryzens, of course. We're pretty sure the best Alder Lake will still be behind the premier Ryzen in multi-threaded tasks as the latter simply has more muscle at its disposal. 32 Zen 3 threads have to be better than 16 Golden Cove and eight Gracemont, right?

As a desktop part, I'd rather see 16 Performance cores and 0 Efficient cores, especially for the "top part". I honestly don't see how 8/8C24T is even comparable to 16C32T of AMD Ryzen. Sure you may gain 19% IPC on the performance cores and save a tiny bit of TDP by shoving an Atom CPU on there, but that 19% on those 8 cores doesn't equate to 16C32T?

It's like they're saying they still don't have an answer to the energy efficiency of Ryzen with so many cores available. A single core may well indeed be faster, it counts for nothing if the workload takes longer due to less cores in a multi-threaded workload though, it'll still use more power overall. I'm seeing little here to really interest me in buying an Intel CPU when AMD are doing this much better.

[QuorTek]

Is this 14+++++++++++ or 10++++++++++++ or what is it?!?

[Euphonium]

Is this 14+++++++++++ or 10++++++++++++ or what is it?!?

I think this is 10+ = 7 for certain values of 10++++++++

[lumireleon]

OKAY: I think the MAIN reason why ARM went for the BigLittle is because of the challenges of silicon using more energy. Is Intel really sincere by the claim that BigLittle is the future? what if your next gen Big core use the same energy as a little core, will you go for BigLittle while AMD is using full cores and manages to beat the competition in efficiency? Intel calling AMD chiplet technology "glued processors" sarcastically with little knowledge on the claims of "lack of ecosystem" was their own undoing. AMD will hold the crown why? AMD is not sleeping and their implementation of chiplet + BigLittle will surely kill them up-to 2030. Anyway Intel is a BIG company and they will surely come back BUT those days of AMD is an uneducated little brother are long gone, expect AMD and Intel to be 50-50 market share after 2030.

[Demontoad]

Gracemont actually looks like a good improvement on the Atom side of things. I may not be excited about Gracemont in a 125W desktop, but it will be good to see some decent uplift in Chromebooks and NAS devices from it. AV-1 decode is a nice addition to the low-end devices.

[Tarinder]

Is this 14+++++++++++ or 10++++++++++++ or what is it?!?

It's 10nm Enhanced SuperFin (ESF).

[edmundhonda]

Seems to be working for me. I was redirected to here though:
https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us...ture-day-2021/

I got the redirect but it 404ed, I guess it wasn't live on time!

Anyway, it just confirmed what I expected on the frequency matched IPC test:

Intel® Core™ i9-11900k, 4x16GB 1R DDR4 UDIMM 2DPC 3200 Max Memory Frequency, Samsung 980 Pro 500GB PCIe SSD, WIN 10 20H2 19042.ent.rx64.789, High Performance Power Plan, 1920x1080 display resolution

Alder Lake Desktop S801 , RVP board with 2x16GB 1R DDR5 UDIMM 1DPC, 4400 Max Memory Frequency, Samsung 980 Pro 500GB PCIe SSD, WIN 10 20H2 19042.ent.rx64.508_​update.906, High Performance Power Plan, 1920x1080 display resolution

I'm sure some of the tests don't scale with memory bandwidth, but that's utterly shameless. No attempt to make it a legitimate comparison.

[Tabbykatze]

I got the redirect but it 404ed, I guess it wasn't live on time!

Anyway, it just confirmed what I expected on the frequency matched IPC test:


I'm sure some of the tests don't scale with memory bandwidth, but that's utterly shameless. No attempt to make it a legitimate comparison.

It can't be an apples to apples comparison, it's DDR5 vs DDR4 and DDR5 has a lot higher base frequency expectations and also, take a read of this: https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news...ake-benchmarks

[Xlucine]

So same as before - intel offering a decent choice for gaming (they don't scale beyond 8 cores yet, and likely won't until we see 16 core consoles) and getting beaten in heavily multithreaded loads

Gracemont actually looks like a good improvement on the Atom side of things. I may not be excited about Gracemont in a 125W desktop, but it will be good to see some decent uplift in Chromebooks and NAS devices from it. AV-1 decode is a nice addition to the low-end devices.

Skylake performance is quite impressive - it's like how A55's have roughly caught up with A73s on the ARM side. I wonder how they compare for transistors/core?