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    Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    The Core i9-12900K is £791, i7-12700K £550, and i5-12600K £311. KF prices leak too.
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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    Guess I won't be buying one of these price pumped CPU's. No Time To Die for my trusty 4790k Haswell then.

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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    The Core i5 K series is now price at what Zen3 and RKL 8C(big cores) are priced at? It was what I feared the Zen3 price increases would do - if Intel were to beat Zen3 in gaming,etc I did say they might try the same trick,and increase price per core past them. If this price sticks,and they do beat AMD core for core,then see the sub £200 market end up going back to 4C CPUs.

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    Also inb4 people say the Core i5 12600K is a 10C CPU,the 4 additional cores are relatively lowly clocked AFAIK,and probably limited in actual functionality.

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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    Good news on DDR5 pricing: anyone who is willing to spend big for the i9 isn't going to baulk at spending big on DDR5!

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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The Core i5 K series is now price at what Zen3 and RKL 8C(big cores) are priced at? It was what I feared the Zen3 price increases would do - if Intel were to beat Zen3 in gaming,etc I did say they might try the same trick,and increase price per core past them. If this price sticks,and they do beat AMD core for core,then see the sub £200 market end up going back to 4C CPUs.

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    Also inb4 people say the Core i5 12600K is a 10C CPU,the 4 additional cores are relatively lowly clocked AFAIK,and probably limited in actual functionality.
    Sorry, i don't see how Intel pricing their 6/4 core system just above the 5600x 6c is AMDs fault?

    This just creates an opening for AMD to kick 12th gen to the curb with price cuts or a lower overall price for next gen and hamming the 12th gen at retail pricing.

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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Sorry, i don't see how Intel pricing their 6/4 core system just above the 5600x 6c is AMDs fault?

    This just creates an opening for AMD to kick 12th gen to the curb with price cuts or a lower overall price for next gen and hamming the 12th gen at retail pricing.
    AMD set a presidence. When they brought out Zen3,they went past the already stupid per core pricing of Intel because they were faster. A Core i5 K series was already stupidly priced at £250+ and a Ryzen 5 5600X was nearly £300. People were cheerleading this despite,saying over £200 for a 6C CPU was stupid money with Zen2 being cheaper. Now people are complaining because Intel decided they wanted to raise the price of a 6C CPU to over £300.

    I told people last year,they shouldn't defend this,as I said once Intel pushes past AMD,they will do the same. My prediction was correct,despite many of you saying it wouldn't happen.

    Now Intel is doing it,people are complaining,but were quite happy to allow AMD to nicely push 6C and 8C pricing up?? Did you really think with AMD pushing its cheapest 8C Zen3 CPU to £300+ Intel was going to price the same or less,once they finally beat AMD on per core performance and features?? It wasn't going to happen.

    Plus with Intel pushing per core pricing up,do you honestly think AMD is going to massively decrease its pricing too?? No it isn't. If an Intel 8C CPU is over £400,and an AMD 8C CPU is nearly £350 prices will be the same. AMD and Intel will clear old stock at RRP or close to very old pricing. Don't believe me - look how much a Ryzen 5 3600 costs now...at best nearly £200. The same strategy with GPUs since Turing!

    You want a new 6C Ryzen 5,expect it to be over £200. Hence we have moved back to 4C CPUs under £200. Then give it a while,and 6C CPUs will soon creep over £300 unless AMD/Intel decide to bother increasing core counts at the lower levels.

    What do you think happened with GPUs?? You wait and see how much Zen4 will cost.

    This is good lesson,in people not defending price increases from ANY company. Because in the end its all a cartel. Just like with GPU prices,you will start to see how much CPUs will start to edge up too.
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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The Core i5 K series is now price at what Zen3 and RKL 8C(big cores) are priced at? It was what I feared the Zen3 price increases would do - if Intel were to beat Zen3 in gaming,etc I did say they might try the same trick,and increase price per core past them. If this price sticks,and they do beat AMD core for core,then see the sub £200 market end up going back to 4C CPUs.

    Edit!!

    Also inb4 people say the Core i5 12600K is a 10C CPU,the 4 additional cores are relatively lowly clocked AFAIK,and probably limited in actual functionality.
    We are all going to be paying significantly more money for everything over the next few years. GPU's were the start and now CPU's are following. Food is starting to get more expensive now as well.

    Any way, back to the Cores thing - does it matter what the core configuration is provided the CPU has the right performance for the task it will be used for?

    For example, Imagine that the sub £200 market is reserved for 4P+4E cores both for Intel and AMD. Does it matter? If those 4P cores are plenty faster than the current cores and the 4E cores are "fast enough" then a 4P+4E setup will be faster for (almost)any task than a 6P setup. Probably substantially faster. Games always load up 1-2 threads fully then rarely fully load the rest. Even if a game fully loads 4 threads, the rest should be fine for 4E cores.

    This is posted by a sub £200 6 core user who wishes these price increased weren;t happening either.
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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    We are all going to be paying significantly more money for everything over the next few years. GPU's were the start and now CPU's are following. Food is starting to get more expensive now as well.

    Any way, back to the Cores thing - does it matter what the core configuration is provided the CPU has the right performance for the task it will be used for?

    For example, Imagine that the sub £200 market is reserved for 4P+4E cores both for Intel and AMD. Does it matter? If those 4P cores are plenty faster than the current cores and the 4E cores are "fast enough" then a 4P+4E setup will be faster for (almost)any task than a 6P setup. Probably substantially faster. Games always load up 1-2 threads fully then rarely fully load the rest. Even if a game fully loads 4 threads, the rest should be fine for 4E cores.

    This is posted by a sub £200 6 core user who wishes these price increased weren;t happening either.
    The issue is here many were fanboying AMD doing it with Zen3. Yet a few months earlier,the same AMD fans were saying a £250 Core i5 which was faster than a sub £200 Ryzen 5 3600 was a waste of money. Yet,when the £280 Ryzen 5 5600X beat that same Core i5 by the same amount,as the Core i5 beat the Ryzen 5 3600, £100 extra was OK over it. People can't complain about Intel price premiums,when AMD is now playing the same game.

    The Core i5 12600K is £30 more than the Ryzen 5 5600X launch price.Now everyone is complaining the new Intel 6C CPU,which is probably faster than a Ryzen 5 5600X is more expensive - I told people this would happen.

    Wait until Zen4 comes out and a 6C CPU with a tiny die,costs £400 suddenly because AMD does it will be all fine. It will also mean less price drops on older CPUs going forward.

    Also yes it does matter,too many people defended Intel for years with all the financial nonsense reasons,why a 6C CPU couldn't be under £300. We are going backwards now.

    Hardware enthusiasts on tech forums keep excuse making for tech companies jacking up prices - the rest of the world does not.

    Those companies get billions of USD in tax breaks,etc from the US government,so I couldn't give a rats arse about their financials. Nvidia alone paid no Federal taxes in 2018,and they get millions in US government contracts to keep them solvent.

    This is why CPUs and GPUs in the DIY segment keep going up. But at the same time AMD/Intel/Nvidia sell these parts into consoles,laptops,etc at much lower prices.

    Funny how I can get a laptop/prebuilt desktop cheaper than building one yourself. These companies look at "enthusiasts" and see a big MUG written on their foreheads.

    This is why I argued with so many of you WRT to the Zen3 price increases. The per core prices of Intel were already too high,and we saw what happened with GPUs in the last decade. People made excuses for the Titan, and well before the pandemic you could see where things were headed.

    None of these companies are your friend,and as such people should have zero tolerance for any of them trying their tricks,because it was happening before the pandemic too.
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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    Ah I see...

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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    Quote Originally Posted by HEXUS View Post
    The Core i9-12900K is £791
    I'd love some of what Intel are smoking if they think I would pay THAT price.

    My 8C/16T 9900KF cost £369. I'm not paying more than double that price for 8 extra little cores added, they can do one.

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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    You forgot to include the price of a (another) new motherboard!

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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    I don't know... ill get in the bandwagon again when PCI-E 5.0 and DDR5 is a thing, currently it seem like a waste to not jump several generations, as you get little value for your coin.

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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    Not going back to Intel. Busted blush. Happy with my AMD 3800 thank you.

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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    I mean, they could just be placeholder prices at this point. They often are.

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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    Personally, I don't give a rat's fart what either the per core pricing, or the core count and configuration are. I am prepared to pay in the £500-600 range for an AMD CPU SO right now, so if an Intel CPU does what I want, that too. But £800? Pushing it. But maybe.

    I don't care about buying a new motherboard, as I'm doing that whether I go AMD (R9 5900X probably) or new i9. As for DDR5, I haven't looked at pricing so the issue there will not be that it's more expensive, but rather, how much more expensive, and what do I get for that extra? Is it worth it?

    In summary, I don't care what the i9 internal structure is, what number follows DDR, or what follows PCIe for that matter. What I care about is total cost of various configurations, and what real world benefits I get from various complete solutions. There are so many aspects to that, way beyond differing core types (low power cores for mundane system components and/or jobs makes sense to me, at least in theory), or raw GHz, etc. Actual performance is not that simple any more. Hasn't been for years, in truth.

    I have some concept of what I can get from an AMD R9 setup, and what it'll cost. I'm up for that. If anybody, be they Intel, AMD, nVidia, RAM makers, want me to significantly increase my current budget, show me the benefit, to me, for my needs. Do that, convince me of a real benefit, and I'll up the budget. After all, the difference between a £550 CPU and a £790 CPU is not that significant provided I get enough real, tangible benefit to justify it. I could probably save that and more by upgrading to 2.5G ethernet, not 10G and truthfully, don't need 10G anyway. I'm still tempted.

    The problem, for me at least, is diminishing marginal returns tells me the real benefit, to me, in what I want to do, probably doesn't justify the cost but if it does .... so be it. What I won't do is chuck money at chasing marketing hype in benchmarks, core count, clock speed etc because none of that matters to me, only what they all add up to.

    Oh, and it also needs to be real world available, and right soon, too, or I'll just go R9.
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    Re: Intel Alder Lake CPU pricing revealed by Amazon UK

    I didn't really get the double standards of the price creeping that AMD did either. It's kind of disheartening the state of CPU and GPU market now.

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