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    Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    The firm will increase info and parts supply for third-party device fixers by end of 2022.
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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    I would just love Framework to become a multi-national entity shifting hundreds of thousands of laptops and components and really become a huge player in the market.

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Framework are spot on with what they have been doing, been watching them for a while..

    As for the Surface, people want thin and light, adding screws and removable panels over bonded parts doesn't help in that regard, certainly not in the thin tablet area, maybe in a few years Framework will do something about that...

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Framework are spot on with what they have been doing, been watching them for a while..

    As for the Surface, people want thin and light, adding screws and removable panels over bonded parts doesn't help in that regard, certainly not in the thin tablet area, maybe in a few years Framework will do something about that...
    I wonder if magnetic interlocks would be secure enough?

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    If Microsoft really approved of right to repair they would stop using lobbying groups to block right to repair.

    So this is just PR smoke and mirrors to distract from what they are doing.

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Kato-2 View Post
    If Microsoft really approved of right to repair they would stop using lobbying groups to block right to repair.

    So this is just PR smoke and mirrors to distract from what they are doing.
    Meh, they all don't approve and they don't want it as it will substantially affect their bottom line.

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    I would just love Framework to become a multi-national entity shifting hundreds of thousands of laptops and components and really become a huge player in the market.
    As would I.

    I'm looking at a decent-spec 'gaming' class of laptop (by which I mean gaming-capable, though that isn't my primary need) and I really like the Framework idea. I'm just not up for a £2.5k-£3k punt on a startup, quite yet. If they're still around in 2 or 3 years, probably.
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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kato-2 View Post
    If Microsoft really approved of right to repair they would stop using lobbying groups to block right to repair.

    So this is just PR smoke and mirrors to distract from what they are doing.
    Meh, they all don't approve and they don't want it as it will substantially affect their bottom line.
    I dont think it will impact their bottom line enough to cause any concern. I think MS's environmental policy (if i am not thinking of somone else) is also very agressive. genuinly supporting RTR would also be in line with this policy. Time ill tell if it all smoke and morros. These kinds of changes wont happen quickly, or they'll do the bare minimum. Thats always the problem.

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    They might just flip and surprise everybody on this. No one would have imagined that you could install Linux on Windows with a few clicks 10 years ago, or that they would be so strongly supporting Android and IOS apps. They make money from services, not hardware bits.
    We may just end up with easily swappable XBox drives and laptop bits and pieces a year or two from now.

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    To think we were given the circuit diagrams in the 60s & 70s

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Yeah, if you say so

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Anyone watch the recent Surface Studio video on LTT on YT?

    It really seems like Right to Repair is a core principle at MS don't it? NOT.

    Okay, if they're talking/thinking about it it's a step in the right direction, even if it took a kick in the 'nads from shareholders but, call me a cynic (and someone probably will, as I am) but ... they're doing it, finally, before law-makers force them to at the point of a legislative gun to their heads. And law-makers are going that way because public concern over environmental waste is finally reaching critical mass.

    One more thing. MS are not unique, not even unusual, in this. It's typical and predictable corporate behaviour. If, repeat IF they mean it, it's because they've realised either they do it willingly or are likely to be forced to, and that doing it apparently willingly gives a marketing opportunity, especially if getting in ahead of the pack. Being in with the crowd doesn't, and bringing up the tail end will be damaging.

    It now needs everbody else to catch up.

    My TV has a problem. The backlighting has gone on about the bottom third of the screen (again). On some TVpanels, this (inexpensive) board is separate and replaceable (according to the repairer, last time). On this model? Nope. It's integrated into the main panel, which despite still working perfectly well, will have to be replaced. Again.

    Last time was bad enough. It still required a full panel repacement, but at least, insurance/warranty paid for it. This time, no chance. The panel alone is nearly £300, without labour, on a set that only cost £450 when new. Worth it? Nope.

    So, new TV over a £20-£30 recurring fault. Great. Thanks, Samsung.
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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Right to repair is one thing but what also is needed is reasonable cost of parts, it’s no use Apple offering to sell a 3rd party an iPhone 13 pro max screen if they want to charge £600 for it.

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    Anyone watch the recent Surface Studio video on LTT on YT?

    It really seems like Right to Repair is a core principle at MS don't it? NOT.
    I have and initially i thought the same, they've given zero thought to right to repair but then i remembered they said they'd shift to right to repair in 2024 so it would probably be a bit unfair to criticise them for not practising what they've only just started preaching.

    It's pure marketing and IMO they're only doing it because they think it's going to effect their bottom line in the future so even though they're doing it for the wrong reasons (IMO) i only really care about the end result so i guess i can't moan about how they get there.

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    Anyone watch the recent Surface Studio video on LTT on YT?

    It really seems like Right to Repair is a core principle at MS don't it? NOT.
    Given the design and prototype time for something like this I don't expect any company to have products for the next few years tbh

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    Re: Microsoft shifts on Right to Repair after shareholder pressure

    Let's not forget the infamous ZERO repairability score from iFixit for the first model of the Surface Laptop. On a scale from one to ten; it was so bad that they extended the scale for it.

    "Verdict: The Surface Laptop is not a laptop. It’s a glue-filled monstrosity. There is nothing about it that is upgradable or long-lasting, and it literally can’t be opened without destroying it. (Show us the procedure, Microsoft, we’d love to be wrong.)"

    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Teardown/92915

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