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    AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    You will have to wait for later in 2022 for Zen 4 on AM5 with DDR5, and PCIe Gen 5.0 etc.
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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Remember that HP listed new all-in-one PCs with "AMD Ryzen 7000 Series" CPUs a few days ago.

    Yeah, that's since been corrected to "AMD Ryzen 7 5000 Series"

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    The surprising bit is AM5 is going for PCIe 5.0. I didn't think it a bad idea to skip 4.0 for the first gen on the AM5 socket because it made the boards hella expensive initially for the 3.0 to 4.0 transition.

    Very interesting, maybe AMD is looking at how quick storage vendors are working on 5.0 capable storage devices and maybe gone "actually, we can't let Intel have the lead of that for too long".

    Wasn't Zen 4 going to be 4.0 with DDR5?

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Intel announce their next chips saying AMD are no longer the boss, two days later AMD announces a refresh that improves speed by approx 15%, and then they announce AM5 next year. Bosh! Absolutely loving seeing Intel being in the catch-up position that AMD have been in for years.

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    The surprising bit is AM5 is going for PCIe 5.0.
    They have to really when you consider AM5 maybe around for 5+ years, at least if AM4 is anything to go by.

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    They have to really when you consider AM5 maybe around for 5+ years, at least if AM4 is anything to go by.
    Well, they could have done the same again where theoretically the 400 series board "could" perform PCIe 4.0 functionality but it wouldn't be certified or couldn't be certified in retrospect. And then you get the utter wave of screeching that AMD did a bad when actually, they did it to protect themselves and quite rightly so.

    In all honesty, I think they should have allowed motherboard vendors to enable it as an experimental feature but you had to go through several splash screens that said "in no way shape or form is this supported, this motherboard was not designed to run PCIe 4.0 and neither is it certified, if this doesn't work or causes issues in relation to the use of the board or otherwise, this is a use at your own risk feature."

    Because who would get it in the neck if it damaged boards or didn't work? AMD would have and it would have been a ridiculous situation where a board not designed/certified for something was being used in that way.

    So maybe they're jumping ahead to PCIe 5.0 due to Intel and historical community screeching over something already experienced.

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    The surprising bit is AM5 is going for PCIe 5.0. I didn't think it a bad idea to skip 4.0 for the first gen on the AM5 socket because it made the boards hella expensive initially for the 3.0 to 4.0 transition.

    Very interesting, maybe AMD is looking at how quick storage vendors are working on 5.0 capable storage devices and maybe gone "actually, we can't let Intel have the lead of that for too long".

    Wasn't Zen 4 going to be 4.0 with DDR5?
    Thing is, AlderLake has PCIe 5.0 - but only on the graphics slot. Not on the storage slots. But we know that graphics cards barely struggle with PCIe 3, nevermind 4.

    If AMD can get PCIe 5.0 on the SSD slots, or at least one, then they will have an absolute advantage with AM5 next year. Intel, of course, will just change the socket and motherboards entirely.

    AM4 is probably going to be around for the budget line for a while, DDR5 is a premium product for at least another year. I don't know if AM5 will support DDR4 as well as DDR5, but if not, AM4 is the low-end platform for a while yet.

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Quote Originally Posted by sykobee View Post
    Thing is, AlderLake has PCIe 5.0 - but only on the graphics slot.
    Really? I thought Intels block diagram for alder lake showed NVMe 5.0 possibility? I'll have to see if I can dig out the block diagram from somewhere.

    Edit: Here it is from PC Inquisitor:



    It can be x16 GPU at 5.0 or Intel SSD or 2x x8 GPU at 5.0 or Intel SSD. I wonder if it the confusion about them just saying "Intel SSD". I hope that's not going to be proprietary to Intel to use the Gen 5. Or is that just the PCIe lanes and not a true indication of the NVMe capability.

    Second Edit: I'm a numpty, there is a specfied bit under the PCIe config specifically stating a single 1x x4 4.0 SSD...
    Last edited by Tabbykatze; 13-10-2021 at 11:37 AM.

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Quote Originally Posted by sykobee View Post
    I don't know if AM5 will support DDR4 as well as DDR5, but if not, AM4 is the low-end platform for a while yet.
    We could go back to the days where you had boards that supported 2 RAM types, who remembers those

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    We could go back to the days where you had boards that supported 2 RAM types, who remembers those
    Or boards that could support two completely different socket types and processor generations with a daughterboard addon!

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Or boards that could support two completely different socket types and processor generations with a daughterboard addon!
    Ok, never seen one of those before, you must be well old lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Or boards that could support two completely different socket types and processor generations with a daughterboard addon!
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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Ok, never seen one of those before, you must be well old lol
    Not that old, well...I'm starting to get back problems, put it that way! Just love niche and curious tech!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pleiades View Post
    Asrock FTW!
    Bingo!!

    https://www.asrock.com/mb/ULi/939Dual-SATA2/

    There are quite a few examples of this but Asrock are the ones with the most recent.

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    I started getting back problems about 9 years ago, so maybe that's not the best criteria to judge age by...

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    Re: AMD will release a Zen 3 AM4 CPU with 3D V-Cache in Q1 22

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    I started getting back problems about 9 years ago, so maybe that's not the best criteria to judge age by...
    The much better way is to count the number of rings in the persons bones, not generally advised but certainly accurate!

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