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    Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    So just how much faster is the new Ti card?
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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    Nice comparison. I do like the look of the GTX 560 as an upgrade to my 8800GT!

    Am I missing something though... Somehow, with more compute power (~14%) plus all the other improvements to the 114 GPU over the 104, I was expecting a greater increase. Are you planning a similar test to compare the 114 versus the 110?

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    Quote Originally Posted by ajones View Post
    Nice comparison. I do like the look of the GTX 560 as an upgrade to my 8800GT!

    Am I missing something though... Somehow, with more compute power (~14%) plus all the other improvements to the 114 GPU over the 104, I was expecting a greater increase. Are you planning a similar test to compare the 114 versus the 110?
    The GF114 is basically a higher clockspeed version of the GF104. The GF104 introduced many of the fixes seen in the GF110.


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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    It's a good card, having said that it is possible to get 460 cards for nearly half the price so in terms of pixel per price it's perhaps not as impressive as it seems.

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    again can i ask you to test the 768meg cards at the same clocks?

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    why do you only to minimums for some games, and not all?

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    again can i ask you to test the 768meg cards at the same clocks?
    yes would like the same as above please

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    Possibly an 4890 1GB as well? can't tell if it is worth the upgrade at 1920 x 1080.

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    so basically this article is to make people who bought a 460 recently not feel so bad that the 560 is now out?

    a 460 at 560 clocks is 10% faster, but a 560 overclocked to within an inch of it's life is how much faster is it than the 460 SOC? about 25-30% according to your own test results.

    Price of a 460 SOC? about £170-180 including delivery
    Price of a 560 SOC? £219.99 including delivery (from DABS)

    Price difference? about 20%... 20% price increase for 25%+ performance?
    (plus a 560 uses less power and makes less noise at the same settings as the 460)

    I call that better value.
    So yes if you bought a 460 in the last few months you bought the wrong card at the wrong time.

    IMO
    The 460 is capable of playing most games out now at medium to high resolution, but to have any chance of seeing out 2011 without making compromises anyone looking to make a purchase now would be better placed getting a 560 SOC than a 460

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    I think it's a great idea to review cards like this, if only to see exactly how well (or not) both AMD and nVidia are making progress.

    Nobody said the 560 is a bad card...how can it be the 460 is a nice card already. £220 is a lot of dough for a graphics card though, and like the review stated - would you notice the difference between this and a 460?

    I bought a 6850 for £134 on release day. You can't seriously be telling me that the 560 is worth almost £90 more now? It ain't. I think that's the point of this, you could say there are no bad cards, just overpriced ones.

    And not only that, it sorta draws vs the 16 month old 5870...

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo75 View Post

    I bought a 6850 for £134 on release day. You can't seriously be telling me that the 560 is worth almost £90 more now? It ain't. I think that's the point of this, you could say there are no bad cards, just overpriced ones.
    I'm sorry, but

    AvP 1920x1080
    6850 = 30FPS Avg. (barely coping and stuttering a possibility)
    560SOC = 47FPS (Comfortably smooth)

    Why bother buying a new graphics card if it can't play the latest games at full settings?

    I've just checked and anywhere that has the 6850 in stock still is around £130+

    40% more cost for 37% more frames is great value, plus it's the difference between playing with all the settings turned up or having to play at low res
    Last edited by andyb123; 03-02-2011 at 09:42 PM.

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    Quote Originally Posted by andyb123 View Post
    I'm sorry, but

    AvP 1920x1080
    6850 = 30FPS Avg. (barely coping and stuttering a possibility)
    560SOC = 47FPS (Comfortably smooth)

    Why bother buying a new graphics card if it can't play the latest games at full settings?

    I've just checked and anywhere that has the 6850 in stock still is around £130+

    40% more cost for 37% more frames is great value, plus it's the difference between playing with all the settings turned up or having to play at low res
    Way to cherry pick best case.

    That same benchmark shows the £220 560 Ti losing to the 5870, costing £191 and coming with the game. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-x...ns-vs-predator

    It aint "great value" and never will be.

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo75 View Post
    Way to cherry pick best case.

    That same benchmark shows the £220 560 Ti losing to the 5870, costing £191 and coming with the game. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-x...ns-vs-predator

    It aint "great value" and never will be.

    You seem to be confused... at £220 I am talking about the Gigabyte 560 Ti SOC
    which beats out the GTX570 in a lot of cases and stomps all over the 6850 and 5870

    the standard 560 isn't a great card, but the gigabyte SOC at over 1GHz is a good card

    I think this page says it all with the bang4buck scores;
    http://www.hexus.net/content/item.ph...=28624&page=13
    Last edited by andyb123; 04-02-2011 at 01:14 PM.

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    Quote Originally Posted by andyb123 View Post
    I'm sorry, but

    AvP 1920x1080
    6850 = 30FPS Avg. (barely coping and stuttering a possibility)
    560SOC = 47FPS (Comfortably smooth)

    Why bother buying a new graphics card if it can't play the latest games at full settings?

    I've just checked and anywhere that has the 6850 in stock still is around £130+

    40% more cost for 37% more frames is great value, plus it's the difference between playing with all the settings turned up or having to play at low res
    Many people consider spending over £150 on a graphics card is excessive. Even in this poll half the people who voted would not spend over £150 on a graphics card and this is on a forum like Hexus too:

    http://forums.hexus.net/graphics-car...hics-card.html

    Over 75% people who voted would not spend more than £200.

    I have never spent more than £150 on a graphics card so far and AFAIK almost every PC gamer I know would not spend £200 on a graphics card.


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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    Quote Originally Posted by andyb123 View Post
    You seem to be confused... at £220 I am talking about the Gigabyte 560 Ti SOC
    which beats out the GTX570 in a lot of cases and stomps all over the 6850 and 5870

    the standard 560 isn't a great card, but the gigabyte SOC at over 1GHz is a good card

    I think this page says it all with the bang4buck scores;
    http://www.hexus.net/content/item.ph...=28624&page=13
    I'm quite sure that XFX 5870 will get to 1ghz as well and still be £40 (the 1ghz SOC is now closer to £230) cheaper.

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    Re: Reviews - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti vs. GTX 460 1GB - at the same clocks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo75 View Post
    I'm quite sure that XFX 5870 will get to 1ghz as well and still be £40 (the 1ghz SOC is now closer to £230) cheaper.
    sapphire has just released a 6870 at 970mhz, and the 560 SOC still stomps all over it
    a 5870 overclocked to 900mhz gets 29FPS avg. in Crysis, the 560 SOC gets Avg 52, min 37
    a 10% increase in clock speed for the 5870 still wouldn't let it compete with the 560 SOC - directly on performance or value for money
    £30 cheaper is not worth the drop to the point where games become unplayable at full settings, simple maths tells you it isn't better value
    (it's 14% increase in cost for 40% increase in FPS by the way)

    I'm even ignoring the fact that the benchmark for the 5870 was at 2x AA vs. 4x AA for the 560 SOC, so at 4xAA the 5870 would be even worse

    The SOC is 1GHZ out of the box and can then be overclocked if you're brave enough.

    the 560 SOC IS EXACTLY £219.99 at DABS INCLUDING DELIVERY

    FPS / Pounds, the 560SOC is the best value compared with all the cards you've named (even at clock speeds they can't reach and lower AA settings)

    the truth is, to get the best value and performance of a card that will play all games at full resolution / settings, you do have to spend more than £200, if you don't want to that's fine, but you have to be aware what you are sacrificing by saving a few pennies

    luckily some games developers develop games and build in the capability for enthusiasts to enjoy their hardware rather than developing for the lowest common denominator, if games developers only developed games for the most common graphics cards then we'd still all be playing doom (okay okay, maybe I exaggerate slightly... maybe quake)

    a PC with a <£200 graphics card costs what now? £350? maybe £400?
    You could save yourself even more money by just buying an Xbox instead of a PC at all.
    Last edited by andyb123; 04-02-2011 at 04:18 PM.

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