Reviews - AMD FX-8370E 95W (32nm Vishera)

[DanceswithUnix]

Not with a huge amount of certainty though - high end consumer is a very small market. If they had more money I think they'd rather dominate laptop/small device and server markets (thus we might hope to get some server offcasts, maybe).

Not that long ago AMD said that one third of their market is AM3+

That makes it quite understandable that they concentrate on the APUs that make the bulk of their sales, but it is still a large enough market that I am sure they would want to hang onto it.

[Jowsey]

Not that long ago AMD said that one third of their market is AM3+

That makes it quite understandable that they concentrate on the APUs that make the bulk of their sales, but it is still a large enough market that I am sure they would want to hang onto it.

Is that why these are then?

Whilst it doesn't warrant a huge amount of R&D there is small research being done and it is creeping along but in the meantime lets through them a bone to keep them keen?

I don't know. I will however drop into this discussion that I would love to see AMD be competitive at the high end again, and I supported this by purchasing one of there APU's.

( I know it was a first gen and I bought a fairly odd bit of tech, with it's ground breaking graphics capability and quad core from a very old architecture and power sharing constraints. It also annoyed me a little bit that the FM1 socket was dropped instantly but that's life. This processor is still going strong if anyone is interested XD )

[ZaO]

Indeed, that's what Intel provide

But no, no trickery. Simple market forces - buying an inferior product won't encourage a manufacturer to produce a superior product, it'll just encourage them to continue producing inferior products. Buying a superior product from a competitor, however, will.

But you may not need a superior product, in which case you should buy the inferior one at the best price you can, and competitors will target inferior products too.

Ah, I see what you mean. Well I still feel the same. As others have also said - if we buy Amd products, they'll have more money. Then they have more to work with when it comes to the high end chips. I guess I don't have a lot to back up this bit up, but I just feel that Amd want to compete in the high end. I think they always have tried to. They like to appeal to gamers. Hopefully these Apu's will bring them in enough cash to get something together. Just one badass, high end cpu on a new chipset/socket from Amd is all we need I'm still waiting for it before I build a new gaming rig! Maybe the Apu's will get so good that you can just buy one of them and combine its gpu power with a dedicated pcie gpu.

[mikeo01]

You are joking right? Intel cores are massive, hence the integrated graphics is gutless as they spend all the die space on CPU and cache.

I only mean the chip in a physical sense. Their dies are huge but they still managed to keep it compact.


Though that aside I am all in for the "support AMD". But problem is they need more support than customers to keep them going in the higher end market. Though they can achieve this I believe.

[ZaO]

I only mean the chip in a physical sense. Their dies are huge but they still managed to keep it compact.


Though that aside I am all in for the "support AMD". But problem is they need more support than customers to keep them going in the higher end market. Though they can achieve this I believe.

I'm still wondering how much all the new console sales have done for them. Must've helped a bit....?

[mikeo01]

I'm still wondering how much all the new console sales have done for them. Must've helped a bit....?

You'd expect, but then again who says they'd happily dump their profits from the console sales into the higher end market? They'd probably stick with innovating and improving their products on the mobile side of things.

They're focusing on strong GCN cores and pursuing hUMA and HSA, so I doubt they'd want to focus too much improving their x86 cores. I am not knowledgeable in CPU design but I'd wager that it is not justifiable.


Anyhow surely things are looking on the up for both parties (mainly AMD)? If developers do jump on HSA and start actually harnessing GCN cores we could see efficiency fly through the roof? GPU's ALUs are far more powerful than ALUs contained in processors, so why isn't it being used already? Or am I missing the point?

[malmental]

" Eight Intel cores are better than four, but four Intel cores are better than eight AMD ones. "
Best joke of the day...

[ZaO]

You'd expect, but then again who says they'd happily dump their profits from the console sales into the higher end market? They'd probably stick with innovating and improving their products on the mobile side of things.

They're focusing on strong GCN cores and pursuing hUMA and HSA, so I doubt they'd want to focus too much improving their x86 cores. I am not knowledgeable in CPU design but I'd wager that it is not justifiable.


Anyhow surely things are looking on the up for both parties (mainly AMD)? If developers do jump on HSA and start actually harnessing GCN cores we could see efficiency fly through the roof? GPU's ALUs are far more powerful than ALUs contained in processors, so why isn't it being used already? Or am I missing the point?

maybe they should think about keeping mantle closed source haha but they probably won't. and that's why we like amd ay

[mikeo01]

maybe they should think about keeping mantle closed source haha but they probably won't. and that's why we like amd ay

Yeah making Mantle closed source would be a bad move. That would hurt them in many ways they are already going to face competition with Microsoft's DX12 and their improved efficiency.

That said Mantle would definitely help their APUs as we've seen.

AMD is a good company in general, they earn more respect from moi

[ZaO]

Yeah making Mantle closed source would be a bad move. That would hurt them in many ways they are already going to face competition with Microsoft's DX12 and their improved efficiency.

That said Mantle would definitely help their APUs as we've seen.

AMD is a good company in general, they earn more respect from moi

Right on

[dfour]

Yeah making Mantle closed source would be a bad move. That would hurt them in many ways they are already going to face competition with Microsoft's DX12 and their improved efficiency.

That said Mantle would definitely help their APUs as we've seen.

AMD is a good company in general, they earn more respect from moi

Same here. Lets just hope the Zen K12 chip is a game changer and not another bulldozer.