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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Doesn't make me feel too bad about my R9 295X2 just wish they could sort out the crossfire support cause its rubbish in some titles.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael H View Post
    It's interesting that both Nvidia and AMD responded to their fabrication partners problems by stripping out double-precision performance to maximise single-precision/gaming on a set node.

    Perhaps it's an indicator that the consumer and professional lines will diverge further moving forward, to maximise performance for each market.
    My old GTX 460 did that though, which was 5 years ago.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    £530 pre-order on ebuyer now.

    http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Componen...-Fury-X-Series

    So that is a bit cheaper than a 980ti, for a card almost as good. I'm not sure that is enough, but still plenty of time for prices to settle further down.

    Edit to add: MSI card, has gone up a fiver since I started typing this

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Personally a bit underwhelmed with the overall performance, but credit to AMD for being first to market with a product using HBM.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    Source? The cost of the interposer is a new cost, but there are savings in other areas like smaller PCB with fewer layers. We don't know the BOM and at the end of the day it doesn't matter to consumers. Someone had to be first with it and first-adopters inevitably pay more before production ramps and costs drop.
    Do you really need a source?
    It's brand new tech, it's got the interposer cost as well. If it works out the same price or cheaper, all the cards would have had it.

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    Context of the graph? Peak power? Average? GPU utilisation during measurements?

    I find it odd that they put 2 x 8pin connectors on it and a water cooler if it's so efficient.
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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Do you really need a source?
    Absolutely. And as I said, it's irrelevant as far as consumers are concerned. If it wasn't used in this card it would have been 'first' on another one.
    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    It's brand new tech, it's got the interposer cost as well.
    And how much is that?
    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    If it works out the same price or cheaper, all the cards would have had it.
    Because re-designing every GPU in the line-up would be hugely expensive and for limited benefit. With Fiji, the far lower power consumption and less die space used by the memory controller bought them more shaders on 28nm as they're otherwise limited by reticle size.

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Context of the graph? Peak power? Average? GPU utilisation during measurements?
    Full article, it's gaming power consumption: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-ra...w-33235-7.html

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    I find it odd that they put 2 x 8pin connectors on it and a water cooler if it's so efficient.
    Water cooler can help with efficiency as lower temperatures reduce leakage. 2x8 pin allows for more overclocking headroom, something they stuck in the marketing material.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    It looks like for the next 6 months the graphics card market will be all about price and driver performance. Lovely jubbly, just like it should be.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    So both of the big boys came to the tilting grounds, both wielding giant hammers, and both yielded pretty much the same results, for the same price. If anything, I'd think both sides should be happy. So the Fury didn't kick the 980ti's butt, but merely matched it. Considering it only has 4gb of ram (HBM or not), that's not a bad showing. Next gen should be all that much better, with the only issue being that Team Green will be on HBM as well. The only real loser was the hype train - too bad.

    Neither card is on my radar. I'm a gamer, but I'm not spending what's essentially a house payment for the privilege. At this point, other than bragging about a brand, the only people that benefit are those that can actually afford to start building a 4k rig (obviously neither of these cards are ready for that by themselves - not across the board at any rate). For the rest of us, those in 1080p land, it seems we barely need to climb 2/3rds of the way up the ladder to stuff the pipes, and at 1/3rd the cost. But watching the drama play out is always fun.

    Well done, AMD - you matched Nvidia, single GPU for single GPU, for the first time in a while. Now make a decent, performance CPU.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoLS View Post
    So both of the big boys came to the tilting grounds, both wielding giant hammers, and both yielded pretty much the same results, for the same price. If anything, I'd think both sides should be happy. So the Fury didn't kick the 980ti's butt, but merely matched it. Considering it only has 4gb of ram (HBM or not), that's not a bad showing. Next gen should be all that much better, with the only issue being that Team Green will be on HBM as well. The only real loser was the hype train - too bad.

    Neither card is on my radar. I'm a gamer, but I'm not spending what's essentially a house payment for the privilege. At this point, other than bragging about a brand, the only people that benefit are those that can actually afford to start building a 4k rig (obviously neither of these cards are ready for that by themselves - not across the board at any rate). For the rest of us, those in 1080p land, it seems we barely need to climb 2/3rds of the way up the ladder to stuff the pipes, and at 1/3rd the cost. But watching the drama play out is always fun.

    Well done, AMD - you matched Nvidia, single GPU for single GPU, for the first time in a while. Now make a decent, performance CPU.
    True, halo products are always interesting to read about but not what the majority of people will actually buy. As you say it's always fascinating to see how different companies, with different approaches (and funding) end up with the results being so close. And it's not a case of looking over the fence to see what your competitor is doing as some people claim, as products are in the development pipeline for years and by the time you might learn of their performance it would be far to late to do anything much about it.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    £530 pre-order on ebuyer now.

    http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Componen...-Fury-X-Series

    So that is a bit cheaper than a 980ti, for a card almost as good. I'm not sure that is enough, but still plenty of time for prices to settle further down.

    Edit to add: MSI card, has gone up a fiver since I started typing this
    OcUK have cards up for £509. I can see some places going £499 before long.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    How about an APU with built in HBM memory?

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Do you really need a source?
    It's brand new tech, it's got the interposer cost as well. If it works out the same price or cheaper, all the cards would have had it.
    I can't imagine lower end cards need it, not yet.

    I think the 980ti shows that we aren't hitting a memory wall just yet, but it does take a lot of fast power hungry ram to get top performance. With another scale, would that need twice the memory controllers of a 980ti to scale performance? That doesn't seem sane.

    The drop to 14nm is two full nodes, at that point HBM is probably mandatory for anything high or mid range. That could drive the volume to the point that lower end stuff becomes economic to go interposer, specially if it makes things more laptop friendly.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Quote Originally Posted by theleader View Post
    How about an APU with built in HBM memory?
    I think that's the plan longer-term.

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I can't imagine lower end cards need it, not yet.

    I think the 980ti shows that we aren't hitting a memory wall just yet, but it does take a lot of fast power hungry ram to get top performance. With another scale, would that need twice the memory controllers of a 980ti to scale performance? That doesn't seem sane.

    The drop to 14nm is two full nodes, at that point HBM is probably mandatory for anything high or mid range. That could drive the volume to the point that lower end stuff becomes economic to go interposer, specially if it makes things more laptop friendly.
    The die space consumed by GDDR5 memory controllers is getting pretty huge too - I think I read it's about a quarter of the die now, and a lot of it doesn't scale well, if at all with die shrinks e.g. PHYs, ESD protection, etc, so that percentage would be likely to get even larger. That die area is also fairly power-hungry compared to the ALUs. So you also save quite a bit of die space with HBM which cuts some of the costs.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Overall its a bit... Meh....

    I guess i thought the technology would do some real favours for AMD, but it hasnt. this card is far behind my expectations. For the price I guess its OK, but AMD really needed a slam dunk and this is a country mile away from that.
    Hopefully the headstart with HBM will help with the next generation card.

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    I'm stuck on a 690 lol... still don't know what to buy to get a decent upgrade...

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    Re: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB

    Not too bad really, I think people overestimated what AMD would be able to bring when really they have a smaller team than Nvidia and have essentially matched their price performance ratio so really its a win.

    If I remember rightly AMD brought big price cuts to the top end with the 290 release which forced Nvidia to rethink how much it charged for the top consumer cards but I think it was too much to expect AMD to force the same thing again when really these two companies leapfrog each other .

    Performance is matching Nvidia for the price so its a solid card really if you want to pick up a 500 to 600 quid card right now you won't go wrong with Nvidia or AMD. However I think AMD shot themself in the foot with marketing as they should have delayed the 8gb 390s from going as its hard to market 4GB being better than 8GB to the uninformed, as we can see from the benchmarks 4gb of hmb its plenty for 4k.

    To me it looks like AMD has a huge margin for driver optimisation, I don't recall a GPU launch where a new driver (betas or anything) has not accompanied it so its likely the software team are delayed but no one thought to hold the actual launch, hopefully better optimisation comes as it would solidify its position.

    Credit where its due, AMD have brought a truly pioneering tech to its consumer card, really people don't give them enough praise for this as its them and hynix (or whoever they're called I always forget ;P) who developed this amazing technology while fending off Nvidia competition with less resources. Nvidia will be reaping the rewards of their hard work next year which I feel gives a greater appreciation for what amd have done as Nvidia have pretty much stayed with the same technology and in a way you could say stagnated (the 970+ cards are great but still) especially with their budget.

    I personally am holding fire, I have 550 quid in a separate bank account waiting to be spent on a GPU alone but I am going to wait for the next gen as I want to see ever greater gains by 14nm node so I can maximise my GPU power for VR and star citizen Haha, next year should be a great time for GPU.

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