I'm impressed by the 750ti, it's not too far adrift for a smaller, older die. Of course, the performance delta between it and the 950 (and between the 460 and 470) goes to show that bigger die is always better.
What format is the .csv file that presentmon emits? Writing something to read it and calculate a minimum fps ought to be fairly simple, you'd only need a couple of for loops
The Polaris 11 chip is around 123MM2 which interestingly makes it the same size as the Cape Verde chip in the HD7770 and smaller than the GM107 chip used in the GTX750TI.
It would be nice if a review could test a bus powered GTX750TI,bus powered GTX950 and a bus powered RX460 too see which is faster,and also have an AIB RX460 with additional power to see how much performance is being lost.
Its a shame there is no fully enabled Polaris 11 GPU in the RX460,since the WX4100 has one running at 975MHZ base clockspeed:
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/10521/W4100_575px.jpg
Heh, a proper comparison at the < £130 price point? Totally.Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
As I said above, the review I've found with a bus-powered RX 460 it rarely makes it above 1130MHz, which is a ~ 7% clockspeed loss to stock, but around 10% against the Nitro+ and Strix variants with the extra power connector. Similarly, the Hexus bus-powered GTX 950 is noticably slower than the comparison cards used by other reviews, so it clearly does have an impact - an RX 460 with a power connector seems to be at least on par with a bus-powered GTX 950, whereas a bus-powered RX 460 seems to fall behind a GTX 950 with connector in most cases. There's obviously a lot of performance variance between different SKUs of each card - so hard to compare across reviews when the comparison cards clearly *aren't* comparable...!
If your budget has a hard limit of £100, or even £130, an RX 470 isn't an option. If you want a bus powered card to fit in an HTPC case with a small-capacity PSU, the RX 470 isn't an option. Nothing to do with being mad. Different cards for different markets. If you've got £165 to spend, and a decent capacity PSU, sure, get an RX 470. If you've got £100, the RX 460 makes a pretty good case for taking your money.
The one thing I am sad about is the lack of single slot and/or low profile cards - this is the perfect GPU for those markets.
Last edited by scaryjim; 09-08-2016 at 10:40 AM. Reason: fixing typos
It would have been nice if Hexus had included numbers for a few other cards on the graphs. RX 470 just for comparison sake and maybe some older cards too.
Am I the only one dissapointed by the performance?
I paid £100 for my Geforce 950 last year and a £100 card sold 9 months later that's got more transistors on a process where there has been an entire node jump plus the addition of FinFET and it uses the same amount of power and performance is a wash on average. The Geforce 950 is also a bus powered card now.
The only things I can think of is that implementing Async compute is very expensive in terms of transistors + power AND that the GF 14nm process is inferior to the TSMC 16nm process
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Pleiades (09-08-2016)
Probably. For a $99 card it's pretty damn fast. I'm disappointed that the Brexit vote means it costs £100 here rather than the £90 it would have cost in June, and if you compare it to GTX 950 prices from last year it'll look even worse (it would've cost < £85 if it had launched around the same time as the GTX 950), but actually for the market position it's pretty good. As it is, the GTX 950 is a year-old card with a bit of a price reduction, while the RX 460 is a brand new card fighting a tanked currency market.
The GTX 950 can be bus powered (the one Hexus use in this review is), but it costs it performance. That means that Hexus' review is kind of a best case scenario for the RX 460 (an RX 460 with a power connector vs a bus-powered GTX 950) and it shows, beating the GTX 950 on many tests and sticking very close to it in everything but Dirt Rally (where it loses to the 750 Ti? Clearly an optimisation issue); if you read bit-tech's review (a bus-powered RX 460 vs. a GTX 950 with a power connector) that's a worst case scenario, and the RX 460 fails to beat the GTX 950 in any games, losing out by around 16% on average at 1080p medium settings. Tom's hardware have used Strix versions of both cards which seem to have power connectors, and is probably the most even comparison available - there the cards behave as expected, with the Radeon generally winning out in DX12/Vulkan and the GTX 950 generally ahead in DX11/9/OpenGL.
As to power consumption? Hexus should be worst case for the RX 460 - it's a partner-overclocked card with an additional power connector up against a bus powered GTX 950. But it draws 4W less than the bus powered GTX 950. Best case - bit-tech's review - shows the bus-powered RX 460 pulling almost 40W less than the GTX 950. That's a phenomenal difference at this end of the market.
AMD obviously want Vulkan and DX12 to be big things going forward - and any sensible PC gamer should too. The RX 460 beats the GTX 950 comfortably in those APIs, it draws less power, and it's a cheaper card to boot (2GB cards with power connectors are available today for £99). I'm not really sure what else you want from it?
CAT-THE-FIFTH (09-08-2016)
Would love to see an A10-7890K in the comparison as well
For the graphics, or for the CPU? The graphics on a 7890k are roughly equivalent to on R7 250 DDR3. That's several rungs down the ladder. For me the 7750 or an R8 250 GDDR5 woould be a better comparison, those being the best bus-powered cards of the last generation, AFAIK...
More performance and lower price Simple
Looking at the balance of the reviews, performance and power is a wash between a card that was bought for the same price 9 months ago on a process that is 3 generations older.
The RX480 took £300 GTX970/R9 390 performance and made it available for under £200 for the 4GB Version. Even now, the 4GB Version is available for £215.
The RX460 just matches in price, performance and power a £100 GTX 950
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The GTX 950's process is 2 gens older, and that's only if you count 20nm that NO GPU was ever produced on. NVidia are currently more efficient on the same node. That discussion has been had repeatedly and it's a plus for nvidia. Let's not rehash old ground.More performance and lower price Simple
Looking at the balance of the reviews, performance and power is a wash between a card that was bought for the same price 9 months ago on a process that is 3 generations older.
And as I said in my previous comment, it's only around the same price as the GTX 950 nine months ago because the pound has tanked. If you were buying this card at the older exchange rates it would be < £90. That's not AMD's fault.
Only it didn't, because by the time the RX 480 was released both those cards were ~ £250, and very few £200 RX 480s were available. And the RX 480 didn't sweep those cards in every game - in some it was behind, in some it was ahead - just like most new cards against the previous gen cards they are nearest.
Only you can't get a £100 GTX 950 now. You can get one for £110 if you really shop around. Generally they're over £120. You want to spend £100 on a new graphics card *today*, your choice is a GTX 750 Ti or an RX 460. Which one are you going to buy?
People need to consider BREXIT fears have crashed the pound and its historically at a low point - you need to add at least 10% or maybe a bit more.
If you look in December last year it was 16% higher than it was now:
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/be...-on-2015-12-10
People need to look at current pricing.
Many of the GTX750TI cards are around £95 to £100 still,and Scan lists a £123 GTX750TI 4GB as a best seller even now!!
If you look the pricing at the GTX950 launch it was from £125 onwards:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...trix-review/12
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...ming-review/12The Asus GTX 950 Strix retails for £25 more than a standard GTX 950, or put another way 20 percent.
£140 one.
At launch:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...iew-gigabyte/1
The GTX950 was a £129 card when it was launched at a time when the pound was 15% stronger.Nvidia GeForce GTX 950 2GB Review: feat. Gigabyte
Manufacturer: Nvidia
UK price (as reviewed): MSRP £129 (inc VAT)
US price (as reviewed): MSRP $159 (ex Tax)
My GTX960 was just over £100 too - you can get special deals,just like the sub £200 R9 290 cards last year or a £250 R9 Nano,but they are not standard prices.
I had a look at a few retailers:
1.)Scan
GTX750TI 2GB starts at £90 to £100
GTX950 starts at £127
No free postage unless you join a forum.
2.)Ebuyer
GTX750TI 2GB starts at £95 to £100
GTX950 starts at £127
Free postage
3.)OcUK
GTX750TI 2GB starts at £100
GTX950 starts at £110
OcUK postage is at least £10. Free forum postage needs a few 100 posts.
4.)CCL Computers
GTX750TI 2GB starts at £103
GTX950 starts at £125
Has free postage.
6.)Novatech
GTX750TI 2GB starts at £100
GTX950 starts at £133 but has a free Indie game
Has free postage
7.)Aria
GTX750TI 2GB starts at £99
GTX950 starts at £130 but comes with free Indie game
No free postage
8.)BT Shop
GTX750TI from £108
GTX950 from £130
No free postage
9.)Amazon.co.uk
GTX750TI from £94
GTX950 from £121
So that means essentially £95 to £100 is the general range of the cheapest GTX750TI cards once you factor in postage. The GTX950 would be around £120 once you factor in postage.
Edit!!
It gets better - OcUK is doing free delivery on its RX460 cards it appears,so there are two RX460 cards they are selling for £100 delivered now.
That means even the GTX950 they sell for £110 would be £120 delivered.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 09-08-2016 at 03:31 PM.
What kind of system would that be? Off the top of my head the only way you'd get a power restriction that low would be if you had one of those external PSU's, and who'd be using one of those with a case that can fit a dual slot full height GPU?
Hmmm, to be fair there aren't many cases kicking around that match that description anymore. Back in the day there used to be plenty though - my Antec Aria, for instance, is a small cube case with limited length and a non-standard PSU spec: when the original PSU died the only readily avaiable PSU I could fit in it (with some minor modding) was a 1u PSU. My step-son has that case now, and if he decided he wants to upgrade his GTX 750 (non-Ti), he simply can't put an RX 470 in that case. So, he's left with the choice of getting a new case and PSU, or going for the RX 460. The other main group would be people with lower-end pre-built PCs which tend to come with low-capacity PSUs that often don't have a PCIe connector (particularly if the base PC spec doesn't have discrete graphics). Back when PCIe conectors started becoming mainstream lots of PSUs up to 400W came without PCIe connectors, but you'll get at least one nowadays unless you really cheap out on the PSU...
Of course, the real problem here is that all the currently available RX 460s are dual slot, full height. They don't need to be, and I suspect that in a few months we'll start seeing single slot and low profile versions doing the rounds (or perhaps that'll be reserved for the RX 450?). But it's worth remembering that there are a few situations where thew RX 460 is physically the only card that makes sense.
Of course, the other group I mentioned is going be far larger (and my step-son falls into that one too) - the people who have an absolute hard limit on cost for their new GPU.
A fast bus powered card would ideal for my Antec Aria with it's strange PSU.
scaryjim (10-08-2016)
The two most compact RX460 cards I have seen are made by HIS and MSI.
The HIS card is £100 delivered from OcUK.
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/Ra...#hero-overview
Edit!!
There is an XFX one too:
http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/a...f-rx-460p2sfg5
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