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    Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    When wireless beats wired.
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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    It's a bit unfair to compare Wifi 6 to Gigabit ethernet and then say "wireless beats wired"....well of course it will in the right situation!

    It would be much fairer to compare against a 10GBe card, which will far outperform Wifi6.

    Don't get me wrong - wifi6 is brilliant and yes it does beat my gigabit network cards at home.....just about...but still has latency issues compared to wired (albeit a difference of only a few ms, but still) and I have found the signal to be inconsistent. This is on a 4x4 router (but 2x2 clients obviously). I use my 10gbe port for my PC.

    This card seems really cheap though for it's performance - half the cost of an entry level 10gbe card, and provided your router has wifi6 support it will work for far more people than a wired connection will.

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    No latency test? Isn't that kind of the important stat?

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    And this is why many of us feel that 2.5G or even 5G ethernet should be standard these days....

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    It's a bit unfair to compare Wifi 6 to Gigabit ethernet and then say "wireless beats wired"....well of course it will in the right situation!

    It would be much fairer to compare against a 10GBe card, which will far outperform Wifi6.

    Don't get me wrong - wifi6 is brilliant and yes it does beat my gigabit network cards at home.....just about...but still has latency issues compared to wired (albeit a difference of only a few ms, but still) and I have found the signal to be inconsistent. This is on a 4x4 router (but 2x2 clients obviously). I use my 10gbe port for my PC.

    This card seems really cheap though for it's performance - half the cost of an entry level 10gbe card, and provided your router has wifi6 support it will work for far more people than a wired connection will.

    Yes, and they should test it with 5-10 mobile devices accessing the same AP to simulate a 'normal' scenario too

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    In terms of the throughput, it should be noted that the wired connection can do that speed full duplex (both transmit and receive simultaneously) so you should be able to double that figure. Full duplex on the wifi would be interesting.

    And yes that is cheaper than a 10GbE card, but more expensive than a 2.5GbE card which last I looked you could get for £30 on Amazon. Not seen any 5GbE ones.

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    Quote Originally Posted by rabidmunkee View Post
    Yes, and they should test it with 5-10 mobile devices accessing the same AP to simulate a 'normal' scenario too
    And with other nearby wireless networks polluting the airwaves. That will have zero impact on the wired connection but I'd like to see how much it affects the wireless.

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    No latency test is a huge problem. OFDM should keep link quality solid in congested areas but when you get two or three routers in a neighbourhood fighting over channels, it gets messy. I tend to do an area survey before bothering to / suggesting people fork out for expensive hardware. If it's clear airwaves and there's no microwave / cupboard full of tins in the way, it's not really worth worrying about expensive adaptors. Also, when they start going on about saving CPU resources, you know they are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    I don't think the price is absurd as I pay that quite happily for a specialist wireless adaptor.

    I do think the location of the antennae is just beyond daft. Most 'hardcore' users of such stuff will plug in their own directional, high gain antennae which will be on a lead but I really think a high end product needs those antennae locatable without paying more for two movable antennae or extension wires and taping them to the wall....

    There's no point in bundling two reasonably high gain antennae like those and then having them stuck in the worst possible place. Either put them on a lead or bundle cheapo ones, drop the price and explain you expect the real hardcore users to put their own 'specialist' antennae on it. Then sell them some overpriced "killer" antennae.

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    This smells... cabled is always better than wifi... if you are that much into killer network for eg. games and such.... why in the heck would you even consider a wireless solution.

    Also why no comparison to actual wireless solutions?

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    Fast, great. But for most people it's willy waving. How much of your time do you spend transferring data around the house? Most people will be transferring data in and out of the house and an average UK broadband speed of 68Mbs means that the Killer is well over specced and broadband isn't really there yet. Our Virgin at around 385Mbs isn't going to affect it either. I'll stay fully wired through the house and garage, 1Gbs over Cat6 is fine.

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    Quote Originally Posted by Phrontis View Post
    Fast, great. But for most people it's willy waving. How much of your time do you spend transferring data around the house? Most people will be transferring data in and out of the house and an average UK broadband speed of 68Mbs means that the Killer is well over specced and broadband isn't really there yet. Our Virgin at around 385Mbs isn't going to affect it either. I'll stay fully wired through the house and garage, 1Gbs over Cat6 is fine.
    I would probably add there aren't many laptops with wifi6 enabled in stores right now, smartphones are beginning to include it. Factor in router cost right now...

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    Well the router for my gigabit cable connection, i doubt it can do the 1 gbit DL speeds.
    On my 2019 phone i only get a little over 410 mbit over wifi.

    Of course i know not what wifi standard my phone or router support, it is not something i use under normal circumstances, when i want to use my laptop i have to go to the router and press the wifi ON button first.

    Actuallu i have never benched the wifi speed on my laptop, damm it now i feel like turning it on just to see,,,,, but i have to get up of chair and walk 6 - 7 paces to get there and back to my chair.

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    [QUOTE=Gentle Viking;1338941]Well the router for my gigabit cable connection, i doubt it can do the 1 gbit DL speeds.
    On my 2019 phone i only get a little over 410 mbit over wifi.


    You are quite correct about the router download speeds. I had to upgrade from an older Draytek (can't remember the model) to a newer Vigor 2960 so that I could get the 350Mbs Virgin download speeds. The Vigor is only rated to 500Mbs, so if Virgin offer me an upgrade to 1000Mbs, I will have to upgrade to the Draytek Vigor 3900 or to fully future proof the Vigor 3910, which at the thick end of £700 is a bit of a commitment for a home network. But hey I like the Draytek stuff and it's made in Taiwan, not china.

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    Virgin here and stuck on 10/100 ethernet......

    This is a bigger issue than better wifi for me as I can easily saturate the network with powerline adapters as it is a rented flat and I can't run wires
    Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    Virgin here and stuck on 10/100 ethernet......

    This is a bigger issue than better wifi for me as I can easily saturate the network with powerline adapters as it is a rented flat and I can't run wires
    with virgin the biggest issue is latency not a speed, they have one of the worst routs ever

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    Re: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 PCIe Card

    Quote Originally Posted by half_empty_soul View Post
    with virgin the biggest issue is latency not a speed, they have one of the worst routs ever
    no issues here to be fair and on a par with other networks available. I'd not swap as we also have Virgin TV and we can't get the same package at the same price or anywhere near...
    Now I know people will wince at this we pay £99 a month for Virgin. But we do get 2 x V6 boxes, 500 meg tinternet, phone line and a SIM which has unlimited calls, texts and data
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