Intel Core i9-10850K

[HEXUS]

A better proposition than headline 10900K.

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[edmundhonda]

Makes the 10900k at ~£540 entirely obsolete.

[nwmark]

Indeed 100% agree

They could have reduced the price of the 10900K but that would have pissed everyone off - so they introduce this one chop 100Mhz off the speeds (probably an identical chip once overclocked) and price it where they need to.

crazy but good for the consumer

[excalibur1814]

If you're planning on buying parts, possibly buy them from Amazon, or elsewhere, as you will probably be charged a re-stocking fee by Scan!

[Bagpuss]

"now is not a great time to invest in older technology unless you find it at bargain basement prices."


Well, you could argue the Ryzen 5xxx CPU's are now 'older technology' seeing as they're the last AM4 socket CPU's we'll see, with no further upgrades possible.

For people dropping them into an existing Ryzen build, that shouldn't matter, it will be a nice 'last hurrah' upgrade, but for anyone wanting to build a Ryzen rig from the ground up, an EOL socket wouldn't make much sense.

More of a problem for the 6 & 8 core parts than the 12 & 16 though, seeing as they will have all the multi-core power you'll need for many years.

[3dcandy]

And people are moaning about AMD and price increases....

[3dcandy]

"now is not a great time to invest in older technology unless you find it at bargain basement prices."


Well, you could argue the Ryzen 5xxx CPU's are now 'older technology' seeing as they're the last AM4 socket CPU's we'll see, with no further upgrades possible.

For people dropping them into an existing Ryzen build, that shouldn't matter, it will be a nice 'last hurrah' upgrade, but for anyone wanting to build a Ryzen rig from the ground up, an EOL socket wouldn't make much sense.

More of a problem for the 6 & 8 core parts than the 12 & 16 though, seeing as they will have all the multi-core power you'll need for many years.

But the next releases will entail new chipsets and sockets from Intel.... in maybe 6 months

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

And people are moaning about AMD and price increases....

People have been moaning about Intel prices rises and tierisation for the last 10 years,and saying how AMD doesn't do it as they are the good guys,but Intel does.So its only objective to apply the same metrics to both companies.

[DanceswithUnix]

People have been moaning about Intel prices rises and tierisation for the last 10 years,

Nah, I was complaining about the price of a 286 when you could buy a faster 68000 based machine for a lot less. That's over 30 years of "How much?!?"

[Zhaoman]

"now is not a great time to invest in older technology unless you find it at bargain basement prices."


Well, you could argue the Ryzen 5xxx CPU's are now 'older technology' seeing as they're the last AM4 socket CPU's we'll see, with no further upgrades possible.

For people dropping them into an existing Ryzen build, that shouldn't matter, it will be a nice 'last hurrah' upgrade, but for anyone wanting to build a Ryzen rig from the ground up, an EOL socket wouldn't make much sense.

More of a problem for the 6 & 8 core parts than the 12 & 16 though, seeing as they will have all the multi-core power you'll need for many years.

I don't really get this because using the same logic you could say every Intel platform in the last 10 years was 'older technology' and a 'last hurrah' upgrade upon launch since they only lasted one generation. Every socket is an EOL socket then...?

Considering that AM4 offers pci-e 4.0 and support for 16 core processors with both single-thread and multi-thread performance leadership, it's a hell of a lot less EOL than whatever Intel is offering currently? :/

[Iota]

an EOL socket wouldn't make much sense.

That is entirely debatable, it depends on the usage scenario and the level of performance required. There will always be something "new" on the horizon, that's just the nature of the march of technology. Same applies to Intel as it does for AMD, but at least AMD have supported the AM4 platform for longer and through multiple generations of CPU releases (somewhat begrudgingly with PCIe 4.0 and the 5xxx series on certain chipsets). The only time I recall that ever happening with Intel was back with LGA 775 / Intel 945 chipset, even then it wasn't fairly consistent like we've seen with AM4 platforms.

[ohmaheid]

The platform power draw charts are ridiculous.
R3 3300, with 4 cores and 8 threads pulls more at the wall than the
10850k with 10 cores and 20 threads.
SERIOUSLY??

Nexus needs to look again at its testing methodology.
Makes you start to wonder what other BS is being presented here.

[lumireleon]

The platform power draw charts are ridiculous.
R3 3300, with 4 cores and 8 threads pulls more at the wall than the
10850k with 10 cores and 20 threads.
SERIOUSLY??

Nexus needs to look again at its testing methodology.
Makes you start to wonder what other BS is being presented here.

Because gaming uses less cores meaning half of the 10 cores are idle.

[kalniel]

The platform power draw charts are ridiculous.
R3 3300, with 4 cores and 8 threads pulls more at the wall than the
10850k with 10 cores and 20 threads.
SERIOUSLY??

Yes seriously. You need to consider CPU utilisation, though I don't know if Hexus specify what resolution they're playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider at for the power usage. It's a tricky question to answer - do you measure power usage at a consistent framerate or power usage at a consistent set of settings?

The lower the GPU load the more the CPU will be able to be utilised (roughly speaking), but test at 4K and the CPU is going to start being idle while everything waits for the GPU so the overall power draw will be more or less equal and determined mostly by the GPU.

[ohmaheid]

Because gaming uses less cores meaning half of the 10 cores are idle.

Nonsense. Tests have already shown that AMD consumes less power-per-core than the 10xxx series from Intel, and that isn't even taking into account the disparity
in clock speeds (which is a major power draw) between the two.

[ohmaheid]

Yes seriously. You need to consider CPU utilisation, though I don't know if Hexus specify what resolution they're playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider at for the power usage. It's a tricky question to answer - do you measure power usage at a consistent framerate or power usage at a consistent set of settings?

The lower the GPU load the more the CPU will be able to be utilised (roughly speaking), but test at 4K and the CPU is going to start being idle while everything waits for the GPU so the overall power draw will be more or less equal and determined mostly by the GPU.

Are you suggesting that somehow 14nm Intel cores draw less power than 7nm AMD cores at any given frequency? Higher Frame-rates would, if anything, result in more power being consumed by the GPU, and have little effect on CPU utilisation, given that it is the GPU doing most of the heavy lifting in gaming.
My point is that publishing meaningful benchmarks requires a level playing field across different products as much as possible. Anything else is meaningless waffle. As is obfuscation.