Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 Founders Edition (Ampere)

[Friesiansam]

It's decent, but after 2 years people wanted better than last gen performance and reasonable pricing. The paltry 8Gb RAM on a near £500 card is disappointing. 8Gb was offered nearly 4 years and half years ago for $379 on the GTX1070....I know people will argue it's not having a detrimental effect on performance, maybe not right now, but that's not the point anyway. They're offering the same quantity vRAM for a 31% hike in MRRP. Inflation hasn't gone up 31% in the last 4.5 years...

RTX 2080 ti cards are still selling for £1200 plus on Amazon, RTX 3070 offers similar performance for less than half the money. You can argue 8GB is not enough but, the benchmarks suggest otherwise.

[philehidiot]

I do rather like this. It feels sensible in terms of pricing and performance. I paid £400ish for my Vega64 and am willing to pay £400ish again for a decent bump. So, for now, not a chance I'll go near this. But, when the sales come along and prices drop as demand settles, this is a real prospect. It's offering 2080Ti performance, which is enough for me, at a price-point befitting such a card.

Now, if Nvidia would only stop with the lies and massive hype, people wouldn't be upset or left unimpressed. It's a GPU. It's effectively the higest level card that the mainstream will find accessible. And it's less than half the price of the last gen uber-inaccessible model offering similar performance at a lower TDP. It almost makes 220W sound sensible.

Over to AT... AMD.

I bet people who justified over a grand on a 2080Ti, banking on decent resale value, are utterly fuming. I remember when I had a new top end Nvidia card costing over £500. Then they brought out a Ti model a few months later, dropping that into the price point I'd paid and being 25% faster and knocking mine down the stack. That was maybe £100 lost in value, and I was fuming (mostly due to the performance and being screwed as an early adopter, paying the highest prices).

[Iota]

Clicking on the link suggests it's not available until the 29th.

Are the Founders cards even going to be available in the UK from Nvidia? Considering they're no longer selling the 3080 / 3090 from the Nvidia (Digital River) site? Or are they going to be supplied by other retailers like Scan / Overclockers or Amazon?

Does anyone know?

[kalniel]

Are the Founders cards even going to be available in the UK from Nvidia? Considering they're no longer selling the 3080 / 3090 from the Nvidia (Digital River) site? Or are they going to be supplied by other retailers like Scan / Overclockers or Amazon?

Does anyone know?

I was wondering the same. We'll find out in 2 days time...

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Maybe because perf/watt is still only on par with last gen Turing and perf/£ is on par with last gen RDNA1?
If reviewers keep comparing it to the ludicrously priced 2080Ti then of course it looks good. But consumers shopping in the £400 range already know what perf/£ looks like and this is disappointing.

TPU did some performance per watt measurements:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/n...dition/36.html

[Ulti]

At first when I saw the performance numbers, I was quite impressed. However, when I saw the power consumption being only a bit less than the RTX 2080 Ti (I guess it's 220W TDP vs 250W TDP or 39W difference in the System Power Consumption chart) then I'm not actually that impressed. Yes the RTX 2080 Ti was £1099 MSRP and this has an MSRP of £469 but really that shouldn't be the main factor.

Having the same performance and drawing roughly 10-15% less power over 2 years (RTX 2080 Ti seemed to be released back in Sep 2018) doesn't actually sound too impressive to me.

I'm going to wait and see what the RTX 3060 and AMD brings.

EDIT: Decided to see how the GTX 1070 compared with the GTX 980 Ti back in the day... GTX 1070 released May 2016 and GTX 980 Ti June 2015 = only 1 year gap. GTX 1070 TDP was 150W whilst the GTX 980 Ti was 250W TDP and they both had the same performance pretty much. GTX 1070 MSRP was $379 I believe whilst the GTX 980 Ti was $649.

[badass]

RTX 2080ti performance for a lot less money and lower power consumption, what's not to like?

TL;DR The RTX2080Ti was a shockingly overpriced, under performing card. Beating it on price and performance does not make its successor impressive.

The only thing is that the RTX 2080 Ti was overpriced and underperforming relative to the 1080Ti - considering it was released 2 years later. When Turing was released people were distinctly unimpressed with the huge price bump and paltry performance increase for something released 2 years later.

Nearly £500 for a GFX card that is considered "a 1440p card" is a pretty good reason to be underwhelmed TBH.

[iworrall]

Are the Founders cards even going to be available in the UK from Nvidia? Considering they're no longer selling the 3080 / 3090 from the Nvidia (Digital River) site? Or are they going to be supplied by other retailers like Scan / Overclockers or Amazon?

Does anyone know?

Nvidia appointed Scan as their official fulfilment centre.
Clicking "Buy now" on Nvidia's FE card page (when available) takes you to a "secret" page at Scan that's only live when they have stock.

[siu99spj]

So everybody celebrating and commenting how this is a 'steal' and such a good price...

Anybody remember back in the day when a top tier graphics card cost £200-£250? Now even bottom rung cards cost £300-350. Inflation has increased things, for sure, but not that much.

I love PC and tech in general, but my wallet just can't keep up (Look at my profile to see what I mean).

[kalniel]

So everybody celebrating and commenting how this is a 'steal' and such a good price...

Er.. Are you reading the same posts I am? 'everybody'? Really?

feels expensive

leaves me completely cold here. This seems completely underwhelming.

But consumers shopping in the £400 range already know what perf/£ looks like and this is disappointing.

It's decent, but after 2 years people wanted better than last gen performance and reasonable pricing.

They're offering the same quantity vRAM for a 31% hike in MRRP. Inflation hasn't gone up 31% in the last 4.5 years...

However, when I saw the power consumption being only a bit less than the RTX 2080 Ti (I guess it's 220W TDP vs 250W TDP or 39W difference in the System Power Consumption chart) then I'm not actually that impressed. Yes the RTX 2080 Ti was £1099 MSRP and this has an MSRP of £469 but really that shouldn't be the main factor.
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Having the same performance and drawing roughly 10-15% less power over 2 years (RTX 2080 Ti seemed to be released back in Sep 2018) doesn't actually sound too impressive to me.

TL;DR The RTX2080Ti was a shockingly overpriced, under performing card. Beating it on price and performance does not make its successor impressive.
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Nearly £500 for a GFX card that is considered "a 1440p card" is a pretty good reason to be underwhelmed TBH.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The tech press are seemingly not understanding that the RTX2080TI was extremely overpriced and a massive price increase over the GTX1080TI. Also,as much as it is a solid GPU,the RTX3070 is still significantly more expensive in USD than either the GTX970 or GTX1070 too.

[Kovoet]

And some places are selling GTX2080's still nearly £500. Rip off I tell ya.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Also TBF on Nvidia we haven't see AMD pricing either. For all we know,AMD "we are not a budget brand anymore" RTG group,might have an RX6800XT/RX6700XT which is similar in performance to a RTX3070(slightly better rasterised performance,but lower RT performance) with a bit extra VRAM for around the same sort of money. This is why I am saving any criticisms until I have seen what AMD is doing,just to be fair on Nvidia!

People have to consider,the RX5700XT was originally branded an RX680/RX690,so it takes two to tango in this price war. AMD only dropped the pricing because of the RTX2070 Super and RTX2060 Super.

[Zhaoman]

The only reason Nvidia released these cards at the current prices is because they were expecting AMD to come with competitive performance. So yeah it does take two to tango. I see no reason not to criticise Nvidia and call them out when they deserve it (which is very often considering the amount of anti-consumer crap they've pulled over a long time). And same goes for AMD.

[kompukare]

Also TBF on Nvidia we haven't see AMD pricing either. For all we know,AMD "we are not a budget brand anymore" RTG group,might have an RX6800XT/RX6700XT which is similar in performance to a RTX3070(slightly better rasterised performance,but lower RT performance) with a bit extra VRAM for around the same sort of money. This is why I am saving any criticisms until I have seen what AMD is doing,just to be fair on Nvidia!

People have to consider,the RX5700XT was originally branded an RX680/RX690,so it takes two to tango in this price war. AMD only dropped the pricing because of the RTX2070 Super and RTX2060 Super.

Sure, but avoiding Nvidia isn't just about price. Nvidia have done plenty of other things to try to avoid them when I can.
Corporate culture does matter so I'll vote with my wallet because AMD don't have to be to angles, but while I can I'll avoid Nvidia because they certainly are not angles.

[1/2Genius1/2Wit]

Er.. Are you reading the same posts I am? 'everybody'? Really?

I think they meant everybody /who is saying it's a bargain/, which has been a few people and most reviewers, who keep making the 2080Ti comparison without setting that in historical context.

And historical context *is* relevant, because a lot of people will be looking to replace Pascal or even Maxwell GPUs. Getting 2080Ti performance is great, but a cost increase of ~50% over your old 970 from when that was new is harder to swallow.