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How is limited hash rate a pro?
Its a negative or just simply not note worthy, it just means if you buy one you cant run it mining occasionally to make back some of the money you spent on it.
Just running my Vega64 mining while not gaming/working has paid for itself over the years and then some, I dont see it as a pro to make your card even less useful at offsetting its arguably high price for the performance.
3070ti seems way overpricied for such little change, its a shame that this isnt just used for 3070 skus and just used to limit supply again.
It's a pro if it actually ends up putting off miners. Unless you can actually get an RTX3070FE(which is rarer then Hen's teeth),an RTX3070 sells for over £1000, as like the RTX3060TI,its the sweetspot for mining effiency.
I would have expected the 3070Ti to have closer to the stock 3080, but if it is the full die for the GA104 then, what's the point, it offers very little over the stock 3070 and if it's crypto'nerfed then as Hicks12 says, you cant even mine on it to get some of your hard-earned back (although that's hardly worth it at the mo, with NiceHash at least..)
The thing is my vega64 can do 50Mh/s @ 150w (Ive seen people do better)
What is the power usage from out of the box while mining I wonder, Tarinder did you happen to check that? Just curious how low thew power usage is mining out of the box at that rate.
Its still profitable for me to mine I make around quid a day profit (after electric), its pocket change but adds up and if you are buying on mass if you can get similar profits then you will STILL be buying these LHR cards.
I dont think the LHR does anything to stop the supply, scalpers and people doing mass mining will still buy them all so it wont help supply all they have done is made 'gamers' pay even more on RRP for a little extra... I know its supply and demand but shouldnt give Nvidia credit here for just milking the situation.
Since I have a SFF rig,I have no interest in keeping the system on 24/7,and shortening the lifespan of my components,and having extra noise on top of this. Then having the room just get excessively warm due to the GPU fan heater being on all the time! ;) The GPU is easily the biggest heat producing component in the system - I would rather not have my semi-passive SFX PSU being under heavy load all the time! It might be OK for people with larger rigs.
It depends what market you're in. If you're a gamer with no interest in mining then it's a pro since it might help you get a card, or at least, one that hasn't been used for mining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks12
Of course, if you're a miner then it's a con, but I think this particular review was aimed at non-miners.
On the topic of the card itself.. now we know that GA104 can do GDDR6X, which is neat. That leap in power consumption is not so neat however - also related to GDDR6X maybe?
I was discussing earlier with a colleague that the big mining companies will still buy these hand over fist initially until enough time passes that they realise they can't crack the LHR limiter. But notice Nvidia isn't making big fanfare about being "unhackable! but we'll see how long that lasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks12
If they crack it and have bought all these GPUs, they're winning, if they don't crack it then they flood the market with GPUs and they're still winning.
So mining businesses hoovering up all these GPUs is going to happen irrespective of the "LHR" for the next few months until either the LHR limiter is cracked or deemed no longer worth trying to break and just shift the stock.
So as you say in your previous comment, the fact it has an LHR is a completely moot point and only screws over the general customer and barely effects the big mining operations.
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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Mining doesnt really reduce the lifespan, I am waiting for someone to show the evidence as there is no real logic to this they are ran at middle load rather than ramping up and down so less temp change and less degradation as not fully stressed or idle.
Your con is a pro for me, I own an old property from 1902 which is terrible for keeping warm so having a GPU running means I dont need much additional heat and it pays for itself which is a huge plus.
Noise also isnt a problem as I watercool so its all reasonably quiet but I can appreciate that would definitely be annoying in a SFF on air (or at least the vega can be!)
My problem is people mining on the side isnt a problem its the fact supply is so low to begin with AND then lots of people are buying in bulk for mining along with the rest being scalpers just trying to sell to anyone who is willing to pay insane pricing for it. LHR isnt enough to stop alt coins being mined and I dont think its enough to actually stop the ETH being profitable on mass so it will still be bought and scalpers will of course still buy it up.
Well the recent Hexus article about JPR suggests shipments have been much higher than before - so supply isn't really lower, it's just demand is much higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks12
When I looked I didnt see any breakdown it was just per brand wasnt it? The dont dispute shipments of GPUs are up but anecdotally I can say this is in the lower end as with covid I have had to sort out a crap ton of PCs for staff to use and we recently moved to ryzen based pcs which had no integrated graphics so we have bought graphics cards when we usually would buy 0! Im sure a lot of businesses have been in the same situation to be honestQuote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
Its a shame AMD has console priorities and that they arent great with VR (specifically for quest 1/2 via pc) so it rules them out this gen for me :(
It does for SFF PCs though. SFF systems by their nature tend to run warmer anyway,and have less thermal capacity than larger systems. They are far more sensitive to heat because of their size,and one area it has always manifested itself is in capacitor lifespan. Capacitors by their nature tend to have reduced lifespan progressively as the temperatures get higher. This is why many spec sheets show different lifespans according to temperature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks12
Gaming,at least in my case,is generally a small fraction of the total on time for my system. Also the games which I run tend to be FPS capped or CPU limited,so the GPU is not at 100% load.
So for SFF systems having short periods of high load and higher temperatures is OK. What is bad for them is constant heat soaking which is what things such as mining does. Plus I don't tend to have my systems on 24/7 ,as I switch them off when I finished with them. I use an SFX PSU - many essentially run passively upto a few 100W,which is why I make sure the PSU actually gets some airflow. It runs rather warmly - so again running the system 24/7 mining is going to cause it to run even hotter.
The GPU is the component which not only produces the most heat in my system it also consumes the most power. So even having at 50% load 24/7 for years at time will eventually cause every part in the system to die quicker,because the capacitors will eventually exhaust their effective lifespan shorter. It will also reduce the effective lifespan of all the fans in the system,and also push more dust into it,hence leading to a vicious circle!
Its what I realised 15 years ago when I started building my own SFF systems. My Shuttle systems tended to last much longer than many on the internet - I always was careful in how my systems are thermally managed. In the past it was capacitors going in the PSU or near the VRMs which made many SFF systems go kaput. A lot of longer term issues with SFF systems happen when people try to make a high powered ATX rig(in terms of power consumption) into something smaller,then run it under heavy load and reduce the cooling to make it quieter. It will be fine for a few years(but you are really pushing the components),but I want to have the ability to run it for longer.
This does not apply so much to full sized sized builds because there is much better thermal management. It might not apply the excessively large ATX sized "SFF" cases you get also,but it will apply to smaller volume cases.
Also WRT to mining GPUs - I have known a few people buy ex-mining GPUs. Some ended up with VRAM issues. GPUs as new as an RX580. This is the issue with mining,VRAM is far more sensitive to heat,etc than the GPU. So if a miner has bought a card with poor memory cooling,put it in a system with insufficient airflow,etc that RAM will eventually start to have issues. It might take a a year or two,but eventually it will. This is why mining specific GPUs have shorter warranties - if a GPU is going to go kaput from a mining load,its probably the VRAM which will go kaput first. The CPU cores themselves are not such an issue.
The issue is that many casual miners,might not really be knowledgeable to keep the VRAM cool,undervolted,etc. Its no different than people overclocking system RAM,and eventually causing the RAM to have problems,as they kept it too hot for extended periods. People who have a clue will always try to manage the heat and voltage aspects - the issue is just because you can install the mining software,etc does not mean people understand thermal management.
When the temperate outside were 0°C to 10°C, casual mining might have made sense.
Now that they are 20°C? Unless you can hook it up to warm water for showers, or something you'd have to be mad!
It also assumes you already have a good enough GPU for profitable mining,or assumes you are rich enough to spend £500+ on a GPU which can mine well. It also assumes you can afford to eat the cost of any other parts going kaput earlier because of the heavier use,or have invested in decent cases,cooling etc to be able to run it 24/7 and not be a PITA.Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
I have never spent more than £300 on a GPU even adjusted for inflation and I buy a GPU to game on. If it means I need to wear out my whole system,and not being able to use it fully just to afford it,what is the point? Its like work on top of work. So that means I should get a tax rebate on GPUs then!
You might as well bypass having a PC and get a console for gaming,and a laptop for everything else. Then buy some crypto or stocks and try to ride the high.
Its just generally hiding the fact AMD/Nvidia has been jacking up the price of GPUs way above inflation,yet everything else in real terms is cheaper. I told people defending the Titan it would lead to what we are seeing,ie,Nvidia/AMD taking the mickey with prices,and and endless numbers of gamers,miners,etc just kept throwing money at then. Crypto is just the "icing" on a very bitter cake. The mainstream is a pile of piddle now,not that many PCMR forum people would know,as its all enthusiast level GPUs which anyone talks about! :rolleyes:
At this point its like feeding an addiction with more creative uses - the best thing is to break it IMHO. If my current GPU goes,I will use my GTX960. AMD/Nvidia can keep all their inflated true pricing. What else are we going to have?? A subscription service on top of the purchase cost?? This hobby has become a game of whales now,and AAA gaming is moving the same way. More loot boxes,yearly carbon copy releases,etc - gamers just lap it all up. AMD/Nvidia fully know this.
Its sad when I found CCL Computers actually selling a GTX1650 in stock for £220.It was in stock! Yes,the only not totally crap GPU under £350 you can find without having to play a lottery. Its slower than an RX570. A £250 XBox Series S has a faster GPU.
The issue is you can try and ride it out,but eventually things will fail and the secondhand market is so inflated you will be spending £100s on stuff with no warranty. I have seen it happen to people I know,so they could have a functional system - they hardly wanted uber level graphics power but ended up having to use HD7850s and GTX660 GPUs as stop gaps. Others ended up with a 6 old GPU as an upgrade because that was all they could get which was under £300. The alternative would be to put the system back in the box and use their phone instead(at least the GPU on that works). There are others I know who are still clinging onto 6~7 year old GPUs,and if those go I think their desktops will just get dumped and replaced by laptops. They won't be profitable mining. Sure they can check all the discords,etc for FE drops but even I just got fedup after a while(looking for a mate) as I have better things to do.
Everyone on tech forums,assumes you can spend £500+ on a GPU and mine all the extra cost back. Whats next an 8C CPU becomes £500 too,so we can mine on that too?? Its already happened with HDDs. At this rate it will be more cost effective to buy a Mac! ;)
Well if CEX is any gauge, there are lot more GPUs available now.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
https://i.imgur.com/ueQzB30.png
Prices are still mad (£95 gets you a RX 550, a 1050Ti is £200), but the mere fact that they now have stock means the worse might be over.
You can get a new GTX1650 4GB GDDR6 for around £220 in the last week or so which is an "improvement" if you can call it that. However,its slower than an RX570 4GB. Its slower than the GPU in a £250 XBox Series S. It's most like a slower GPU than the one in the old XBox One X. What is the point?? You spend more and get a POS which is worse than a 2nd tier console? These GPUs are already outdated now,how are they going to look in a few years?? Even an RTX3060 is probably slower than the GPU in the Xbox Series X or PS5. Its hard to say whether even an RX6700XT is any faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
Basically unless you want to get a prebuilt system,its better to sell off the PC and get a console now,or forget about gaming and buy a GT710 or something. Miners and their get rich schemes have screwed people over. Even one year ago when the pandemic was in full flow,GPUs didn't get this expensive. Miners are pushing up everything from GPUs to HDDs up in pricing,during a pandemic when more people are forced to work from home and stay at home.
Gamers using the excuse of "lets pay above the odds because I can mine it back" are a big part of the problem too. So on one hand miners are throwing money at these GPUs,and on the other hand gamers are using mining to flip GPUs,or justify mentally to themselves why paying 50% to 100% more for the same GPU is fine. I have seen it myself on forums and social media. Even threads from gamers to join in and mine to make the overinflated price seem less.
What these people don't seem to understand,if gamers are willing to pay more for GPUs,even if mining crashes,expect the next set of GPUs to cost more. Gamers with the Titan GPUs justified it right?? Turing was a big success for Nvidia,so gamers justified that too(it wasn't a financial failure for Nvidia). The entry level and mainstream gamers who can't afford it should just "eat cake" is what the answer will be. Elites apparently only apply to PCMR.
Consoles apply for plebs it seems,even the scalped ones make more sense than a PC ATM.
Whilst broadly agreeing using CEX is a pants metric - like using a Steam Survey...Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
However - the prices of second hand will adjust down and market forces WILL prevail, it just depends on how long that takes..
For a laugh Linus has been slating NV and the majority of tech vlogs are all getting pretty venemous about the situation
I was talking about a brand new GPU from CCL Computers,not CEX. However,its concerning CEX does not even have Polaris GPUs in stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
The issue is the reality on the ground is that all this stuff is slowly going to push more people away from PC gaming. As much as Steam is not totally accurate most gamers I know don't have top end hardware,and if the entry level/mainstream market starts seeing more and more of these shortages and price escalations it will have an effect. People will change their habits.
Tech journalists obviously don't like it because gamers/PC enthusiasts tend to be relatively larger spenders/frequent upgraders. So if people can't get a GPU,it means people lose interest. If they can't get a GPU,then why bother with the rest of the PC?? Since a PC builder will tend to act as tech support for many other less knowledgeable people,it will only mean their advice is to buy a prebuilt system/laptop or get a console. So that means longterm the review industry starts to lose revenue.
It also will affect the PC gaming industry - if in reality most of the higher performance GPUs are bought for mining,devs will prioritise consoles even more. No point really push PC games too far,if most of the market is still stuck on weaksauce stuff.You will only end up with a lot of people just not bothering if you need the latest GPU to play a game.Every one of the new generation XBox or PS consoles will be used for gaming,so you can target exclusives which use the new features. It just makes sense.
But console availability is just as bad...Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
This chip shortage is now so bad I know people having car orders cancelled because they simply cannot build the car
It really isn't at least more recently. I know lots more people who got consoles fine. Even on OcUK forums people ended up just getting consoles,because they got fedup of trying to find a GPU not at silly prices. Demand for consoles has shot up because you can see many GPU buyers now trying to get hold of consoles.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
Its been easy to get an XBox Series S for yonks now. It basically uses a downclocked Ryzen 7 3700X/4700G CPU,and the GPU is basically a slightly cut down RX5500XT(2 less compute units). However,it is RDNA2 unlike the RX5500XT,so has double the L2 cache,similar GPU clockspeeds and the same amount of memory bandwidth. So it will be around RX580~RX590 level speed. The fastest new GPU you can actually get below £350 ATM is the GTX1650 GDDR6(slower than an RX570). A lot of enthusiasts are only looking at the high end,but when it comes to entry level/mainstream under £400 its been a disaster in the PC arena for GPUs. Its not only high prices but hardly any stock anywhere.
So for £250~£280 you get a Ryzen 7 CPU and a RX580/RX590 level GPU,a PCI-E 4.0 NVME SSD,etc. The GTX1650 GDDR6 costs £220. A Ryzen 7 3700X is at least £200~£250. At this point its pointless trying to build a mainstream PC with GPUs being so overpriced.
XBox Series X drops are far easier to get - I even had it in the basket a few times in the last few months myself with no need for Discords,etc.I have yet to get a single GPU in a basket outside launch day of the RTX3060TI. Unless I act on an alert immediately its no point,and I am not spending my entire waking hours waiting on GPU alerts.
Scalped XBox Series X consoles sell for between £450~£550 now on Ebay which is not massively above RRP. PS5 is a bit harder to get,but even if you are to pay a scalped price for a PS5 its between £450~£650. Most sold on Ebay are under £600 now. Both have around a £450 RRP. So you are looking at between £0 to £150 extra for a console. Compared to PC GPUs in the UK outside a GT1030,consoles are far easier to get. They also are far less scalped secondhand,so it might even make some sense for the desperate to pay that extra £100 to get one quicker. Far less scalping means supply is relatively better compared to demand. With GPUs its easily £300~£1000 more.
An RTX3060 is now over £600 secondhand(most are around £700):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...te=1&LH_Sold=1
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...te=1&LH_Sold=1
RTX3060TI GPUs are around £800.
A slower GPU than an entire XBox Series X system which is cheaper secondhand paying scalped pricing.
On top of that the previous generation PS4 PRO and XBox One X,still can be bought. The latter has a GPU faster than an RX580,but costs less than an RX580 8GB,which sells for over £300 now secondhand.
The reality is even with the shortages,is still far easier to get a console,get a CPU,get a monitor or a myriad of other computer parts. You know its bad when people who you know at large tech companies(who have access to the supply chain as Nvidia/AMD/Intel partners) have said colleagues have resorted to buying whole systems now,instead of building them.
Car companies reduced semiconductor orders early last year since they thought demand would collapse because of the pandemic. When it rebounded,they couldn't get spare capacity as other industries had already purchased it. They made a poor short term business decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
I know car manufactures like to cry all the time about how essential they are for GDP etc., but isn't their shortage mainly due to them cutting back on their orders when Covid hit?Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
Car chips aren't even on leading edge nodes, that foundry that Bosch just built is 65nm I believe.
EDIT: and apparently a mad total reliance on JIT but that should be well known from the Brexit debates at this stage.
It's all relative though. Consoles will always have a better availability but I still know plenty who have struggled - simply because they are not as tech minded as us and just want to go and buy one from say an Argos or similar. In this case - availability is dire compared to previous launchesQuote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
The chip shortage has affected nearly everything. Perfect storm of covid and massively increased demand (after a while when they all decided it wasn't going away) has made it a massive issue. We had vouchers from a big online store named after a river for Christmas. Wanted an air fryer that's stealthy and all in black. Couldn't get one. Eventually contacted the suppliers to be told there was a 3 month delay because the microprocessor was out of stock. We saw that gpu shipments are up massively (30 odd percent basically) and with a new console launch etc. etc. this issue really isn't going to ease any time soon. I know people who would never have bought a laptop or a console getting them recently because they literally have hours free time they don't know what to do with. I have a mate who has now been furloughed for 15 months on full pay who literally has money to burnQuote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
I went on HUKD. Deals appeared,stock was there. Lots of people use HUKD.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
But its even worse for all the entry level/mainstream PC gamers I know. The fact that you still go onto Ebay and pay "only" £100 more for an XBox Series X/PS5 from a scalper,does not even apply to PC gamers. A mate ended up paying over £200 for a GTX980 to replace their kaput RX580 4GB,and that was after months being on their previous GTX660,which didn't play nicely with their new monitor(replaced the previous one which was very old). Its bad when people who you know at large tech companies(who have access to the supply chain as Nvidia/AMD/Intel partners) have said colleagues have resorted to buying whole systems now,instead of building them.
Plus for ages now the entry level XBox Series S has been easily available everywhere - Currys,Argos,etc have it in stock. So at least a console owner has some alternative to bide them over. What does an entry level PC gamer have?? A £220 GTX1650 or GTX1050TI?? Or go on Ebay and buy something which has been years out of warranty? Buy an old GTX1060 from CEX for nearly £300?? Enthusiasts only think in high end systems - the fact is the average PC gamer has been utterly screwed over this 100X worse than console gamers.
Even I couldn't get hold of a GPU for a mate,despite using alerts,etc. That is because I can't spend 24/7 waiting on GPU alerts all the time. That means literally everyone else I know will have 100X less patience to bother!
Plus again literally every other part can be bought right now fine - CPUs,motherboards,RAM,SSDs,HDDs,PSUs,cases,etc and many at under RRP. Phones can be bought,TVs,cameras,lenses,hifi,etc. Even if there are shortages plenty of items in massive demand can be had right now.
GPUs seem to be the one thing which are affected and have been for the last 9 months. It's coincided exactly with mining,and follows the same shortages and price increases we saw in 2017/2018 with mining,and in the first mining boom with AMD GPUs.
It seems the reality is a lot of those extra GPUs are probably being bought by miners,or those intending to mine.
Is there any point in reviewing a graphics card that will probably never be purchasable in the UK??
I got all excited about the RTX-3070 FE and despite regularly checking the Nvidia and Scan stores for six months, have never found it in stock.
What they should do is not bother running gaming benchmarks. Just run mining benchmarks using various coins. At these prices its full time miners,part time miners,or gamers who are desperately mining so they can afford a GPU way outside their comfort zone,who will pay it(or the super rich who think a few £100 extra is pocket money). For the rest of us we might as well make a set of games which can run on integrated graphics,lest what we have stuff working and we don't want to pay scalped GPU pricing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EasterEEL
When the pandemic was in full flow early last year it was easier to get a GPU IMHO,and even when scalped the prices were nowhere as high.
Just like in 2017/2018 with that mining boom,we saw GPU prices go up massively at the high end,and then be always out of stock. Then they concentrated on mainstream GPUs,and mainstream GPUs went up in price and ran out. I still remember RX470 GPUs selling for nearly £300 back then. Nvidia and AMD then also released mining SKUs too,further screwing over supply for gamers.
But people were blaming process node capacity limitations,RAM supply limitations,etc back then. Yet everything else seemed to be easier to get. The moment mining crashed,supply was far easier to get,but Nvidia,etc realised they liked the higher pricing. So all we had is pricing not really going below RRP that much,and then Turing appeared with its price hike. IMHO,you need to thank the miners for that as Nvidia wanted to prescalp the price so they got more money and not the retailers/suppliers. It was the same issue we saw back in the first mining boom,when even HD7850 GPUs became stupidly priced. It follows the same pattern. Always its "never" the fault of miners,but always some other reason.
Shortage or no shortage,AMD/Nvidia will like these prices so expect the RTX4000 and RX7000 series to have another price hike.
Maybe, just maybe, Elon is trying to build a killer gaming rig and can't buy a GPU, he slags off Bitcoin, stops accepting it at Tesla, the price goes down, the GPU market then starts to get used cards to trickle in, then he can finally buy a GPU and then suddenly BTC is his friend again and he promotes and starts to accept it again and then things go back to normal...
TBF,if he was shorting BTC,I would imagine buy more of it at the lower price would make sense. Even a 10% increase on 1 billion USD of BTC is a 100 million USD of profit!Quote:
Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig
Should really be called a RTX 3070 SUPER and not RTX 3070 Ti
It should be called the RTX3070SE(Scalpers Edition).Quote:
Originally Posted by poshpaul
The GTX980TI had an RRP of $649,now a 70 series GPU has a $599 RRP. So much progress!! :clapping:
Yeah definitely. I love reading about tech, even if I am probably never going to buy it. Same reason I enjoy reading about supercars :pQuote:
Originally Posted by EasterEEL
I wonder what the thought process is behind using GDDR6X for no apparent performance gain but a lot more wattage?
At a super stretch maybe it is easier to source 6X due to Nvidia being the only customer? Even then, why not have it clocked lower or take lower quality samples to keep the thermals in check and increase your inventory.
Would love to see a comparison of a 70TI with RAM clocked same as a 70.
Looking at the power consumption,the RTX3070TI is more a parts dump IMHO. I would like to see the voltages of the GPU and GDDR6X it uses compared to the RTX3070(GPU) and RTX3080(VRAM). It wouldn't surprise me it got the rejected GA104 GPUs which could not make it to mobile,which need more voltage,and the rejected GDDR6X modules which are not good enough for the other cards. Then Nvidia searched the parts bin and chucked on a cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
On some hardware monitors software you have package power and core power for CPU (because the CPU vendors expose this).Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
Wonder if there is any easy way to get similar figures for GPUs?
Maybe if VRAM and core are on their own VRMs and the VRM controller exposes this? Haven't looked, but I don't recall seening any breakdowns.
TPU does a teardown of all the cards they get:Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/n...edition/3.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/n...edition/5.html
Igor'S Lab does them too but with more detail:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/nvidia-ge...ttle-hunger/3/
https://www.igorslab.de/en/nvidia-ge...uddly-small/2/
Hm, good point. This gens GTX 465?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Yes, not sure if W1zzard would be up to it, but Igor might be a candidate to hook up equipment to try to measure what the GPU and VRAM draw in terms of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
What I actually meant though, is whether any hardware monitoring tool can read the different planes like the package power or CPU. Like those digital PSUs with the USB connections and data-logging, having it in software would a lot easier if perhaps less accurate.
If the quantities for the 3000s are actually quite high (despite of the shortages), they should have plenty of parts which didn't make earlier cuts. Nvidia being as stingy as they are is not always a bad thing as selling all the dregs prevents them from going to landfill (purposefully skimping VRAM on the other hand encourages landfill waste).Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I have a feeling it is,and its not like Nvidia can't sell it easily! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
Igor said he only saved 20W undervolting the GPU,and 20W would be saved using GDDR6. Hence,I think a lot of the extra power consumption might be the GPU part. The clockspeeds of the RTX3070 and RTX3070TI are very similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
It also reminds me of the RX6700XT - power consumption also looked relatively high when compared to the RX6800. Even though I think a lot of it is down to the much higher clockspeeds,although I also suspect AMD was binning better examples for their laptops too.