Amd 45nm @> 4ghz stock ! must be a hoax?

[CrazyMonkey]

Sounds like hype and fanboyism to me.

People are still banging on about "what they did in the graphics card market" - which was what? They couldn't make a faster chip so they sandwiched 2 together to make a faster card. nVidia could do the same if they wanted.

That all sounds like nVidia 'fanboyism' to me...

And you clearly do not have a clue about what ATI have done - I wont go into it, most is explained in a previous post.

Let's hope this news has some truth in it, i am tired of Intel's dominance - Competition is the path to better products.

[aidanjt]

Tell that to the people whos cards are over-heating or the people that are messing with XML files to bring the temps down......Or those that are concerned over the power draw of the card.

My 4870 is quiet and stable, tyvm.

Your saying choice is a bad thing?

I am no nVidia/Intel fanboy btw (I've had many ATI cards and AMD CPUs, I just buy what's best at the time - in fact I am eyeing the 4870x2 as my next GPU), just adding some perspective as people seem to be jumping on any reason to hate the "big guys", including things we normally count as "good points".

But I guess if it potentially makes your next purchase cheaper, you can tell yourself whatever you want to justify it.....but to make AMD/ATI out to be the saints of the pc market is tantamount to deluding yourself. They are in the game to make money just like nVidia/Intel and will screw you out of as much as they possibly can. The FACT their products have been under-performing is the only reason they have dropped their prices, forcing others to follow suit to keep their price/performance ratios around the same points.

People tend to forget when AMD CPUs cost more then Intels (funnily enough when AMD had the performance advantage!)

I don't think anyone will deny that AMD is in business for.. well.. business. But at this time, they are hitting the price/performance sweet spot. Their 4870 runs everything on the market while hooked up to a 24" montior, it's performance is only margingly lower than the GTX 280. Their CPUs are compairable to Intel's in native mode. Their chipsets are the best in the business of any platform (particually where IGP is concerned). They also have a unified platform, which is nice from a support standpoint.

I don't think it's fair to slate their acomplishments made since their shakey aquisition of ATi. Especially since they've single handedly forced both Intel and nVidia to maintain competitiveness. And that's good for all of us.

[this_is_gav]

I think he was referring to idle power, not load?

Which, other than the HD4870 is still less than all of NVIDIAs current cards from the 9800GTX+ up.

[j1979]

thead seems to have turned into a ATI vs Nvidia argument.

[Agent]

aye - can we try to keep it on topic please?

You're more than welcome to open another ATi vs nVidia thread if you like

[j1979]

http://www.techpowerup.com/69705/Phe...entsfield.html

some more details but looks like the same source

[Fraz]

Having now seen the Reviewage "source" website, that really is the lamest article ever. If it was any more lame it would be a quadriplegic.

[j1979]

I know what you mean.

But 1st rumours (correct or incorrect) always come from obscure sites. Because most companies sign strict Non Disclosure agreements

[looney]

I hope its true would like to see AMD back on form

[j1979]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=207906

could be some truth in it after all. i really hope so.



here is the original source http://publish.it168.com/2008/1114/20081114006901.shtml

[magneticman]

about time, bit odd the model numbers are so similar to i7's (910, 920, etc) though

wonder how they'll perform, but that image about the headroom is a bit dodgy looking..

[Kumagoro]

Isn't it that they can be OC'ed to 4 GHz not that they will be sold at that speed.
E8000's hit that so why not. I have read previously they are not having the problems at 45 nm
that they do at 65 nm.

[Main]

Well there are 9950s that have done over 4Ghz so I wouldn't be too suprised if Deneb was capable of doing that, but being sold like that the moment they arrive?...seems doubtful...maybe in later revisions.

A big difference between stepping is possible given AMD's history though - the difference between 130nm and 90nm A64s was a big one.

[j1979]

Isn't it that they can be OC'ed to 4 GHz not that they will be sold at that speed.
E8000's hit that so why not. I have read previously they are not having the problems at 45 nm
that they do at 65 nm.

yes true... but the link shows (if true) that at least 45mn has some headroom. but it will be sold (again if true) with an unlocked multi!!

3ghz stock would be fine with me if i had a chip that could oc to 4ghz on air!

[GSte]

Fuddo mentioned it too a few days back:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...0501&Itemid=35

[j1979]

http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=6455

5ghz+ on dry ice