New system time. It's been a while...

Hi all

As I said, it's been a while since I last darkened the doors of Hexus, but the time has come to seek advice once more. I need to spec up a new system, but rather than simply throwing lists of components around, I'd like to try and understand where the market is at the moment, allowing me to understand what I'm choosing. I last built a system about 3 years ago, so whilst I understand the concepts, I know very little about the specifics. I'm looking to spend c. £400 but could stretch if there are good reasons to do so. Monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer etc can all remain for the time being, so this is just the system itself. I also have an XP disc with a serial I've never used.

So, questions, I suppose. I've done some reading and tried to grasp what questions I should be asking, but I may be way off here.

1) Is Intel the way to go at this kind of price point? My instincts used to say AMD, I had a great Athlon-based system back in the day, and they used to be better value for money, but most of what I've read suggests Core2Duo is the thing to do.

2) If so, what chipset?

I'm not interested in gaming, but I do like a machine that's high quality and reasonably high performance; it would not be unusual for me to have half a dozen Firefox tabs, iTunes, Outlook, a couple of IM clients open, and then decide that I need to open Photoshop/GoLive/an office app. That might give you an idea.

My system-building philosophy always was about finding the bang-for-buck point; I want to find the most sensible purchase for each component, where the price/performance compromise is best. Anyway, enough of the philosophy of PC building! Hope the above is helpful, and thanks in advance for your help :)

Tom

Photoshop CS4 benefits from having an ATI graphics card:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=9809&Itemid=1

Another question is whether you are overclocking or not??

The Intel Core2 processors are faster clock for clock but the AMD budget motherboards are better IMHO. In many cases you can get a higher clocked AMD processor for the same price as a lower clocked Intel one. Hence the performance can be very similar in many cases.

If you are running multiple processes a quad core processor does help and also a large amount of RAM. The AMD motherboards have among the highest performing integrated graphics ever made. The 780G and 790GX have integrated graphics cards which are basically a cut down version of the HD3450 graphics card. It can decode HD video and even play older games too. Hopefully it should also be able to accelerate CS4 too if you have it!! :)

With Scan you can get free postage as a Hexus member BTW!!

Here is what I have come up with from Scan:

Coolermaster RC-330 V2 Elite Black Midi Tower Case w/o PSU (New Improved Version) Scan Exclusive £27.93

400W FSP Blue storm II PSU Efficiency >85%, Quiet 120mm Fan, PCI-E, SATA ATX 12V V2.2 + dual 12V £40.24

4GB Corsair (2x2GB) TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-18 £39.84

500 GB Samsung HD502IJ Spinpoint F1, SATA 300, 7200 rpm, 16MB Cache, 8.9 ms, NCQ £43.76

Biostar TA790GX3-A2+, AMD 790GX, SAM2+, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), DDR2 1066/533/667, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX £83.36

LG GH22NS40 22x DVD±R, 16xDVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RWx6 ,12xRAM SATA, Black, OEM £15.51

AMD Phenom II X4 920, Deneb Core, S AM2+, 2.8GHz, 8MB Total Cache, FSB/HT 2000MHz, 125W, Retail £160.07

Total:£410.72

If you look on Today Only on the Scan website you could also save a bit money BTW on the above components!!

The Phenom II X4 has very low idle power consumption and so does the motherboard. Many people like Intel quad cores due to the fact that the Q6600 overclocks well. However this means a high power consumption.

Here is a review of the 790GX:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/15256

Here is a review of the Phenom II:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/16147/1

Thanks for that :) One vote for Phenom II + 790GX. If I assume 500Gb hard drive, 4Gb RAM and pick out a case and power supply to suit, the only real variables are a motherboard and chip combination, and that's where I need the help really.

Anyone care to convince me that I should really be going the Intel way here? Any other suggestions welcome :)

Nahhh AMD all the way :) *he shout's while hiding behind his C2D based machines* :D

I have an array of both AMD and Intel systems from the last couple of years and it's so hard to tell the difference clock for clock. The phenom II's offer great value for money so I would do it. I would actually get a 780G based motherboard to save a bit of money and build into a uATX tower :)

Just be careful which 780G board it is as only some support 125W. The Asus 780G and 780V do though and have very good integrated graphics.

This 780G motherboard should do the trick:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...52&modelmenu=1

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150278...specifications

This will save you around £20. It also has all the major display outputs such as VGA,DVI,Displayport and HDMI onboard. The 790GX has faster graphics though! This should bring the cost of the build to under £400!! With Today Only you maybe able to save a few more quid!! :)

BTW if you are going to put a graphics card and some point in the future I would get a more powerful PSU.

Here is one:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135159

However the 400w FSP has a higher efficiency meaning that your PC overall will consume less power. If you are not going to muck around with the build after you have completed it(apart from some minor upgrades like some more RAM or another hard disk or optical drive for example) it will do the job well.

Yeah certainly if gfx is a concern the 790GX is better but 780G graphics are capable of light gaming and blu ray with ease. 780V can do blu ray no problem, wouldn't try gaming though.

Thanks to all for advice :) I'll tidy this up into an order and post a screenshot shortly for your thoughts.

Wait a second!! :) Just realised that a 400W Corsair is the same price as the FSP!!

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/400W-...-year-warranty


It has over 80% typical efficiency and has a three year warranty too(the FSP only has one)!!
I wonder which is better??

I saw that Corsair on Scan, was wondering about it. It appeals if only because it isn't blue!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...2/untitled.png

Thoughts, comments most welcome. Any glaring mistakes, please point them out now!

I would not get the CM version of the motherboard from Scan but the EM version off ebuyer.
For 3 quid more the EM has:
1.)All solid capacitors which means a longer lifespan
2.)Every single major display output
3.)It has 4+1 Phase Power Design which means more stable power delivery to the CPU!
4.)Has e-SATA

Here is the info on the Asus page for both motherboards:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?mo...49&l3=736&l4=0

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...52&modelmenu=1

Also just saw this 700w FSP for £34 on Scan Today Only:

http://www.scan.co.uk/product.aspx?ProductId=22926

It is probably a bit of an overkill for your system though!! :laugh:

The Samsung DVD writer is also cheaper on Today Only too!!

Here is a link to the Today Only page on the Scan website:

http://www.scan.co.uk/TodayOnly/Index.aspx

Edit: don't forget your free postage with Scan if you have not got it already!! :)

I have the CM and it's a great board but CAT has a point :)

Not sure the EM variant is worth having to deal with eBuyer *shudder*

A few stupid questions, because it's been a while...

Do I need to include SATA cables in my order or will they come with something (board, drives)?

Does the chip come with a cooler? Will it be any good?

My Phenom 9950 BE came with the best stock cooler I have ever seen, it's just a shame I had bought a scythe ninja as I didn't think BE's came with one :(

The board will come with at least 2 sata cables.

Sweet. Creeping ever closer to the checkout button...

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Originally Posted by staffsMike

My Phenom 9950 BE came with the best stock cooler I have ever seen, it's just a shame I had bought a scythe ninja as I didn't think BE's came with one :(

The board will come with at least 2 sata cables.

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Do you have a photo?

That's not to say it comes with one but I assume it does and I assume it's pretty awesome.

Yeah hold on will edit.

Can't find any batteries for ye olde camera but this is the one

http://oktabit.foracamp.gr/files/9950_cooler.JPG

That looks good for a stock cooler.

Ebuyer have been pretty decent IMHO although YMMV. However on Scan the next highest up Asus 780G motherboard costs over £70!! At that price you can get a 790GX motherboard so it is a tad overpriced!!

Wow that does look good for a stock cooler :) How big is the fan? 80mm x 15mm?

Oh and the motherboard should come with 2 sata cables (well 2 is pritty standard)

you may want to consider the Sliverstone TJ08 if you're going for an mATX motherboard
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Silve...silver-w-o-PSU
also comes in black ;)

I've not yet had any problems with Ebuyer
Here's the ebuyer asus M3A78-EM link
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150278...oduct_overview

one final word of warning, quite a few motherboards only have 1 keyboard/mouse socket on them now, so you may need to get a new USB keyboard or mouse

My asus board only had one PS2.

Yeah the fan is pretty low profile and around 80mm, maybe 70mm.

Haven't checked how loud it is yet but it's very nice for stock, at least I know I have a worthy spare for either the phenom or X2 :)

Cat: With Hexus free shipping from Scan vs expensive shipping w Ebuyer, it might work out different. I'll do sums...

Re PS2 connectors, mouse is Logitech MX620 cordless laser, keyboard is boring Microsoft, but both are USB so no probs there.

Thanks all for your continued assistance :)

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Originally Posted by Merlin

Cat: With Hexus free shipping from Scan vs expensive shipping w Ebuyer, it might work out different. I'll do sums...

Re PS2 connectors, mouse is Logitech MX620 cordless laser, keyboard is boring Microsoft, but both are USB so no probs there.

Thanks all for your continued assistance :)

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Ebuyer has free Supersaver postage over £49.99 still so you should be OK!! :)

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Originally Posted by Merlin

Cat: With Hexus free shipping from Scan vs expensive shipping w Ebuyer, it might work out different. I'll do sums...

Re PS2 connectors, mouse is Logitech MX620 cordless laser, keyboard is boring Microsoft, but both are USB so no probs there.

Thanks all for your continued assistance :)

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How does that work ?

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

Ebuyer has free Supersaver postage over £49.99 still so you should be OK!! :)

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I saw that on one of their motherboards but, When I went to checkout it had added £9.99 for postage, So I didn't buy it.

Did you select free postage in the drop down shipping box?

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

How does that work ?

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Check this out:

http://forums.hexus.net/scan-care-he...0-07-08-a.html

http://forums.hexus.net/scan-care-he...tup-guide.html

With Ebuyer you do need to select the "Within 5 Working Days" Option to get free postage. It also does say free postage on the item description BTW. In many occasions they have despatched quicker than that so it is fine!! :)

i've used super saver 3 times with ebuyer, and twice I got the item the next day ;)

brilliant store tbh.

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

Ebuyer have been pretty decent IMHO although YMMV. However on Scan the next highest up Asus 780G motherboard costs over £70!! At that price you can get a 790GX motherboard so it is a tad overpriced!!

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Would there be a problem with the M3A78-PRO? Just that it's in stock at Scan. I tried to go to eBuyer, my existing account is dormant and registering a new account means you have to ship to billing address, which I'm not at!


Either that, or I could go back to the Biostar.

I would go with the Asus M3A78 PRO. The Biostar has a faster GPU and is crossfire capable which is better if you are playing games but for your purposes the Asus should be fast enough. The Asus has all solid capacitors which means the motherboad should also have a greater lifespan(in theory) than the Biostar.

I ordered the stuff for delivery on Friday (because I won't be in tomorrow), expect me back if the build doesn't go smoothly...

Many thanks to all for your help, you lived up to how I remembered this place :)

Just keep us posted on how it goes.