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You really don't check review dates carefully do you?? Why don't you check the release date of the newer BIOS for instance. Motherboards like the J&W 790GX Extreme had the newer BIOS in place in early Feburary. Bit-tech's review was in the middle of the same month.Originally Posted by Turbotab
You argument is very,very weak as it can apply to motherboards for Intel processors too. Also I have had to flash the BIOS of various motherboards to make them work stably with certain Intel processors in the past.
Intel also make multiple revisions of their CPUs too just like AMD do and sometimes you need to flash to a new BIOS to get the whole shebang working properly.
What happened when Intel transitioned to their 45nm processors for example ??
What about from the Pentium D to the Core2 then??
People have issues with RAM,issues with graphics cards,etc and some of these need BIOS updates to solve them too.
If this is such a big mountain to climb you should stick to a pre-built PC TBH as many people have had to work around these issues before.
Also are do you really think that websites are unbiased?? Look at the media around you and you will unpleasantly suprised!!
Yep, people on these forums have managed to do so sucessfully. It is useful people know this and give it a try. If they succeed then it means a quad core for no extra price. I have always said that it was a possibility and it was only possible using a 790GX based motherboard. Sometimes people who were going to buy the 720 were not even aware of this. In the days when the 6800le graphics card could be unlocked both my examples were unlocked to 6800 and 6800gt configs. People like you were saying on forums that the likelihood was small and pointless.
Using your argument we should stop overclocking as it is not guaranteed by the manufacturer!! Of course why spend the extra few quid on an motherboard which you can overclock with when an el-cheapo basic motherboard(with no overclocking ability) can be had for £40??
After all we cannot be 100% certain that an overclock can be achieved??
??????????????????????????????????? Don't base it on one game!! What about FarcCry 2 then?? The extra cache of the E8600 made it 10% faster clock for clock when compared to the E8600. Also you do know that FarCry2 does make use of multiple cores!!
Ignoring GTA4 is also pointless as more and more games are cross platform. If it can use so will other games in the future. If anything this means more and more games are going to take advantage of multiple cores. FarCry 2 is another cross platform game too.
People were making the same argument about single cores and dual cores only a few years ago. A dual core Athlon or Pentium D will be far better utilised in modern games than even their higher clockspeed single core brethren.
Why not go with a cheaper sub £80 E5200,E5300 or X2 7750+ then if you want to go dual core?? The E5*** series only have 1mb less cache than the E7*** and a super high multiplier meaning that you can use a cheaper motherboard too for overclocking to high clockspeeds. I of course made this point before but you conveniently missed it!
Also what happens in a two years time when games do become more CPU dependent and make better use of multiple cores?? Ever thought how powerful a £100 graphics card will be then?? What about a £200 one? In this case the E7400 will start to show its age much quicker than an X3 720.
You really do need to think ahead about these things.
Also BTW the E8500 costs £160(with a cooler). Compare processors at similar price points!! The E7500 is the closest competitor to the 720. Funny that you have missed out the reviews which show that the 720 is as fast or even faster than an E8400!!
You do know that DX11 will run in Vista too.
I have one of the later higher VID Q6600 chips in my current computer. Tried the chip with two different chipsets,PSUs and coolers and it needed more voltage than earlier ones people I know have.Many people on other forums including this one have noticed the same thing. I also have had early batch E4300 and E4500 processors which needed much less voltage to overclock with than later ones. Again many people noticed this too on other forums
BTW the Intel Q6600 costs £137 at Scan for an OEM processor.You need to add a cooler too. An AK965 will cost £14 so it comes to a total of £151.
http://www.scan.co.uk/search.aspx?q=q6600
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Akasa...Intel-push-pin
Of course since the Q6600 is a hot running processor when running over 3ghz you may want to invest in a better(and more expensive) cooler too!!
??????????? I see one 790GX motherboard there!! The others are 790FX based motherboards!! They have the same SB750 southbridge as the 790GX!! The major difference is that the FX has more PCI-E lanes than the GX and lack of integrated graphics. Overclocking ability is the same as a result!! Also the ASUS M4A79 Deluxe is a DDR3 motherboard. Most reviews show that DDR3 makes little difference compared to DDR2 with the Phenom II. Also a lot of these reviews actually tested the processors with BOTH DDR2 and DDR3 too.
Again many people have used the J&W 790GX on forums to great effect(including a few here on Hexus too). The same goes for the Asus M3A78-T and even the Biostar one. People on forums have got good overclocking results with them. The Asus M3A78-T had some good reviews on review sites too.
I actually contacted the guy at Bit-tech about this and he said he had not used the cheaper ones thats all. Since he had not used any of the cheaper ones he could not vouch for them either.
Have you not even fathomed that manufacturers may even send out some of the more expensive motherboards out to these websites? It is free publicity for their more expensive components which makes noobs think they need to spend more money than they have to on a motherboard.
So using your incredible flawed logic we should NOT use cheaper motherboards since reviewers use more expensive motherboards in their reviews.
Again what about user reviews of these cheaper motherboards then if no review sites have reviewed them?? So basically any user review is rubbish too??
Who actually reviews hardware for these websites then?? They are hardware enthusiasts like many people on these forums.
Also perhaps you should also look at some of our own Hexus members who actually use 780G and 790GX based motherboards.
The Phenom II X3 720 and X2 7750+ have unlocked multipliers in the first place!!They don't even need an uber motherboard to overclock with!!
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