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    What is "Trusted Platform Module" (TPM)?

    This article (from PC Mechanic) says any computer we build now will not likely be able to run MS Vista. Bad news.

    One of the reasons is that current mobos do not have a "Trusted Platform Module" (TPM). What is that? And why would I want it?

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    TPM = hardware based DRM

    You definately dont want it! But I expect that we're all going to end up bending over and accept it

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
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    Im guessing that will be on the motherboard?
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    Perhaps the guys at PC Mechanic know something I don't, or maybe they're just plain wrong.

    They're certainly on target with the system requirements... Vista is intended for a decent rig, but let's not forget it's over 6 months from release so current 'new' computers and 6-12 months older will probably be targets for upgrade.

    As for DRM and TPM... they say the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will need HDCP... true, but my understanding was that output to a non-HDCP display device would be downscaled, not stopped. To put it another way: you can only get the max res possible for playback if you have HDCP capabilities.

    Also, it would really be silly for Vista to require TPM... REALLY silly. However, I can forsee a number of features needing it to work, but if none of us use those features then we might send out a message about our trust in trusted computing.
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    http://ia300124.us.archive.org/3/ite...stedComputing/

    Check out any of the high quality downloads. Interesting watch.
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    Interesting video.

    To summarise, it covers how Trusted Computing is intended to protect us from things considered harmful. However, the industry decides those things, not us, because we cannot be trusted to make such decisions. So why should we trust them, when they do not trust us?

    Think about Trusted Computing from the angle of DRM. It's not about trusting us at all... they DON'T trust us. It's not about us trusting the computer either... there's no reason for us to. No, it's about the distributor of the media being able to trust that we won't be able to do something we shouldn't with the media that they're delivering to us. Nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve
    Interesting video.

    To summarise, it covers how Trusted Computing is intended to protect us from things considered harmful. However, the industry decides those things, not us, because we cannot be trusted to make such decisions. So why should we trust them, when they do not trust us?

    Think about Trusted Computing from the angle of DRM. It's not about trusting us at all... they DON'T trust us. It's not about us trusting the computer either... there's no reason for us to. No, it's about the distributor of the media being able to trust that we won't be able to do something we shouldn't with the media that they're delivering to us. Nice.
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    If you were say sony would you trust people not to break copywrite laws? No, and rightly so, people copy music like crazy.

    However Internet is SLOW at the moment so i cant download the video and so i am probably talking crap
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvening
    If you were say sony would you trust people not to break copywrite laws? No, and rightly so, people copy music like crazy.

    However Internet is SLOW at the moment so i cant download the video and so i am probably talking crap
    Yet again, your totaly missing the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve
    No, it's about the distributor of the media being able to trust that we won't be able to do something we shouldn't with the media that they're delivering to us. Nice.
    It isn't even that good. It is about not allowing us to do things they don't like, even if they are legal. These are people who think that libraries should be shut down, fair use laws should be scrapped and that purchasing music on CD doesn't mean you should be able to listen to it on your MP3 player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent
    Yet again, your totaly missing the point.
    Did you not see the disclaimer?

    Do you mean in the fisrt part of the post they are trying to protect us agants internet nastes, ie viruses and the like?

    Im gunna shutup now until i have proper internet again and can download it in less than a day!

    And what do you mean yet again?
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    TPM is a lot of things, and no vista won't *require* you to have a TPM, only certain features of vista which inheriently require TPM will require it.

    TPM can bring some good things, not all trusted platforms are bad, an example is my mobile phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus
    TPM is a lot of things, and no vista won't *require* you to have a TPM, only certain features of vista which inheriently require TPM will require it.

    TPM can bring some good things, not all trusted platforms are bad, an example is my mobile phone.
    Exactly.
    The original idea behind trusted computing is a solid one. As long as I can decide what to trust, there is no reason why i wouldn’t want it in my system.
    It has great implications for corporations to: what about refusing access to a machine (a laptop for instance) that connects to the corporate network and has no up to date anti-virus installed?

    In my mind, it just seems almost certain that the multinationals will try to use it for their gain, and not the customers.

    My phone has a trusted environment to. The difference being, I can decide if I want to let something that is “untrusted” run on it.
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    Trusted computing is a red herring - its all about removing your choices and enforcing the choices of the pigopolists (RIAA et al). You no longer have choice - not real choice, you choose from our protectors options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noTHINGface
    Trusted computing is a red herring - its all about removing your choices and enforcing the choices of the pigopolists (RIAA et al). You no longer have choice - not real choice, you choose from our protectors options.
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