New Killernic K1

[kempez]

Cinrellik please drop me a line as I wouldn't mind reviewing one and seeing if what you've posted is just marketing speil or not

If the card is up to it of course

[alsenior]

Hi,


With modern internet connections (IE broadband), and other technology upgrades (better routers, servers, etc) it becomes more and more obvious that windows operating systems introduce lag all by themselves.

the fact is that to microsofts admisstion the windows stack is crap up until 10mb before that it is quite efficient being based on the bsd stack( more copy and pasted) and last time i checked multiplayer games don't use anyway near that amount of bandwidth and also you still have to cope with that possably crap nic on the server and not to mention the public internet slowing you down. and the last time i checked all of the test that i read about the killer nic were done on closed lans witch in the idea place for the killer nic. to be truthful using the killer nic i akin to going around the block to say hi to next door (read: a complete waste of time) and you are still using the windows stack because tcp/ip dosent work on windows without it. a better solution would be to create patches to the winsock stack to make it a bit better. additionally windows vista's stack has some quite major imporvemnts to the stack that make it a bit better.

first person to say anything about the spelling gets killed im using ie7 rather than firefox 2

[Cinrellik]

Cinrellik please drop me a line as I wouldn't mind reviewing one and seeing if what you've posted is just marketing speil or not

If the card is up to it of course

I'm not normally the person who arranges review cards. But I can most definately put you in touch with the marketing team that handles that.

I'm actually a QA tester, so it just urks me to see my test results bashed by people that don't even try the product.

Any opinions I post are my own, based on my personal test results. I probably can't even explain it the way an engineer can, and I don't try to put any spin on it like the marketing team.

I just try to appeal to people as a gamer, because at the end of the day, that's what I am.

I PM'd you my email.

[MadduckUK]

Yet we get flamed, for what? Trying to reduce lag in online gaming?

what a noble cause. in this instance using forums as free advertising space for your marketing spiel

also please pick your toys up off the floor, your representing Killer by being here and it doesnt paint a very professional picture

[iftiq]

Why and how does IE7 induce worse spelling than Firefox 2?

Sorry- couldn't resist.

[Cinrellik]

the fact is that to microsofts admisstion the windows stack is crap up until 10mb before that it is quite efficient being based on the bsd stack( more copy and pasted) and last time i checked multiplayer games don't use anyway near that amount of bandwidth and also you still have to cope with that possably crap nic on the server and not to mention the public internet slowing you down. and the last time i checked all of the test that i read about the killer nic were done on closed lans witch in the idea place for the killer nic. to be truthful using the killer nic i akin to going around the block to say hi to next door (read: a complete waste of time) and you are still using the windows stack because tcp/ip dosent work on windows without it. a better solution would be to create patches to the winsock stack to make it a bit better. additionally windows vista's stack has some quite major imporvemnts to the stack that make it a bit better.

first person to say anything about the spelling gets killed im using ie7 rather than firefox 2

There were several reviews done on the internet, not on closed lans. Read the results from places like MMORPG reviews, or the Hard OCP blind tests where people weren't told which systems had a Killer.

I'd post a link, but I dont have enough posts to do URL's yet.

[MadduckUK]

Why and how does IE7 induce worse spelling than Firefox 2?

Sorry- couldn't resist.

FF2 has a built-in spell checker

[alsenior]

There were several reviews done on the internet, not on closed lans. Read the results from places like MMORPG reviews, or the Hard OCP blind tests where people weren't told which systems had a Killer.

I'd post a link, but I dont have enough posts to do URL's yet.

just post me the text i can copy and paste

[directhex]

the fact is that to microsofts admisstion the windows stack is crap up until 10mb before that it is quite efficient being based on the bsd stack( more copy and pasted) and last time i checked multiplayer games don't use anyway near that amount of bandwidth and also you still have to cope with that possably crap nic on the server and not to mention the public internet slowing you down. and the last time i checked all of the test that i read about the killer nic were done on closed lans witch in the idea place for the killer nic. to be truthful using the killer nic i akin to going around the block to say hi to next door (read: a complete waste of time) and you are still using the windows stack because tcp/ip dosent work on windows without it. a better solution would be to create patches to the winsock stack to make it a bit better. additionally windows vista's stack has some quite major imporvemnts to the stack that make it a bit better.

first person to say anything about the spelling gets killed im using ie7 rather than firefox 2

windows hasn't used any bsd-based network code for years. (i.e. a stack they licensed from a third party was used in nt 3.1, their in-house stack used for nt 3.5 and win95 onwards)

[Cinrellik]

what a noble cause. in this instance using forums as free advertising space for your marketing spiel

also please pick your toys up off the floor, your representing Killer by being here and it doesnt paint a very professional picture

I didn't start this thread. I didn't go looking for free advertising.

You bring up a topic that matters to me, and I will respond.

Simple, really.

And I'm not a professional when it comes to marketing. Not typing in 133+ $934|< is about as close to professional as I'm capable of.

[alsenior]

i thought that the original winsock was based on bsd 4.3 code: indeed it is based on bsd sockets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winsock#Technology
although i am willing to think that it could be wrong

[MadduckUK]

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2037169,00.asp

"Honestly, there's just no way we can recommend the Killer NIC. It's an incredibly interesting idea, and it makes academic sense, but we're just not seeing the benefit. Even if it worked really well and we saw big benefits, you have to ask yourself if you would be better spending $279 on other computer components that would benefit every game you play and even other general tasks.

A gaming mouse charges a premium price—maybe $60 instead of the $40 you spend for a good general purpose desktop mouse. The same goes for other gaming hardware. Unfortunately, the Killer NIC is competing with free. Everyone has a NIC integrated into their motherboard, and asking them to give up a precious PCI slot and almost $300 for a card that only slightly improves performance only some of the time—that's just insanity. The right price is more like $99, and that's assuming it delivered better results, more often. "

and you may want your friend "tomstomper" to calm down too

Next, I don't appreciate people calling a product I've worked on for 2 years a ripoff... i won't respond to comments like that: but I will (and love) to answer questions about what Killer is and how it works. IF YOU THINK IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE, DONT BUY IT! (and let your neighbors get the edge).

[Nox]

Would like to see hexus do a review of this card.

Nox

[Cinrellik]

just post me the text i can copy and paste

It only took 5 posts and now I can post my own url's

MMORPG - Two Thumbs Up
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cf...re=1027&bhcp=1

We are an MMORPG site, and I want to know if this thing makes the games we love the most any better.

Hard OCP - Editors Choice Award
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

We were able to sit down with the Killer NIC and verify the data that Bigfoot had presented to us earlier. So now that we have figured out that Bigfoot is not full of crap when it comes to claims, just what do you make of all of this when you are gaming...because obviously your gaming experience is what Bigfoot is truly claiming to impact.

PC Perspective - Silver Award
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?type=expert&aid=338

I can honestly tell you that I never thought I would be writing a review of a network card. In my seven years of reviewing hardware for PC Perspective (and Amdmb.com), with all the CPUs, video cards and motherboards, there are some items I just thought were as good as they got. USB, hard drives and network cards all seemed to just "be there" and worked the way they were supposed to work. As USB 2.0 implementations varried from chipset to chipset and as Western Digital unvieled their 10,000 RPM Raptor drives the component performance was improved. And it looks like we might finally have seen an enthusiast-based networking advancement as well.

Theres more reviews here:
http://www.killernic.com/KillerNic/K...wsReviews.aspx

Note: The links above are technically tests with the Killer M1 ($249). The Killer K1 ($149) only just started shipping out this week, and no one that we've given K1's too has finished/posted a final review of it yet. But, they are very close in hardware design, and the biggest changes between them are directed at the FNA design/availability. There should be virtually no changes in game performance between them.

[alsenior]

aditionally the card does not support pci-e there would more demand if it supported pci-e 1x slot as they are on alot of systms but largely unused

[Nox]

Same reasons sound cards are still pci I gather, though creative are caving in and starting to make them. Really starting to hate creatives drivers at the moment though - i swear they have a mind of thieir own with regards to the volume control.

Nox