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    ERU for Guild Leader

    [Serious head]
    /me gets out the loud megaphone and stands on the nearest post box.



    Why do I want to lead Hexus Horde?
    I play WoW for fun guys … nothing more. I get excited about doing an instance, it feels great for someone to offer me x20 thick leather to make an item, teamwork in PvP is thrilling and I enjoy helping others with a quest.

    Reading the inital thread about disciplining people for their actions I have my own thoughts. I work in a behavioural school and we have pupils who initially refuse to cooperate. The strategy we use to control discipline is called assertive discipline and I see no reason why this can’t work here. In fact it works wonders in my old clan called British Airborne who are now very old and mature. The idea is to promote everything that is good, to praise and encourage achievements and create a fun and friendly atmosphere. I ask the guild not to vote for someone who is reactive and shows frustration and even anger. If this system isn’t working for any given member then perhaps they need another guild where they can settle better.

    I am a fun guy who can crack a joke in any situation and this is important. It takes a lot to rattle my cage but I have seen some things within the guild that have frustrated me, why? Because they could have easily been sorted out with various strategies! It is humour alone that will get us through our difficult times and there will be some.

    "Sorry just realised the megaphone was set to 100 mile range" - author
    /me turns said megaphone down a bit.


    What can I do in the future?
    My personal thoughts on the guild are that it DOES NEED a leader.

    For us to exist we need to sort out problems via a democratic airing of our members, then the officers to talk about the problem and finally for the Guild leader to make a decision. It’s worth bearing in mind at this point that the last time a monarch of Britain had an extreme view he started a Civil war and was beheaded for it.
    I aim to run the guild by catching members being good as much as doing wrong. This involves an exchange of trust!
    I have lots of ideas about things we could do including private forums for members, different ways of organising voluntary meets, helping out the lower level people, making Hexus Horde T-Shirts, a Hexus Horde in-game bank for unwanted items, the list goes on. All things we need to talk about. Some of these ideas are going to horrify some people and others who are reading will be thinking ‘oh yes’. We all have different views and opinions.

    How this voting should be decided?
    We don’t seem to have anyone actually making a decision, so I ask that it is done via a letter to Thor in-game.
    We need a time for everyone do to this, so I propose the voting starts this Saturday (i.e. 17.05.05) and finishes the following Saturday. If anyone thinks we should start a week later just post below with your reason and we should be able to move it forward.

    If I do get voted in as the Guild Leader it’s not such a scary thought guys n girls, as if I do a crap job I can be removed just as easily as I was voted in.
    I honestly know I will do a good job in what is a difficult guild.


    Any questions please put on a Stamped Addressed Envelope to ........…


    [/Serious head]

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    No envelope, but I do have a question for you, which I will also put to Velan on his thread.

    How do you see yourself in the balance of power? Under Thor's democratic regime, decisions were made by discussion followed by majority vote by the officers, with Thor's vote often being the deciding vote (an uneven number, see!). Do you see yourself as making decisions with an equal vote to your officers, or do you seek to have over-riding control? Do you intend promoting (or demoting /scared) more officers to effect this balance? Would that be with a consensus of votes from existing officers?

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    As I have said in my other thread I view it still as a majority vote staying as we are now, I feel that we have a good system which keeps everything fair and impartial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee
    No envelope, but I do have a question for you, which I will also put to Velan on his thread.

    How do you see yourself in the balance of power? Under Thor's democratic regime, decisions were made by discussion followed by majority vote by the officers, with Thor's vote often being the deciding vote (an uneven number, see!). Do you see yourself as making decisions with an equal vote to your officers, or do you seek to have over-riding control? Do you intend promoting (or demoting /scared) more officers to effect this balance? Would that be with a consensus of votes from existing officers?
    I see myself as the ultimate desion maker as stated above. If this doesnt happen there will be contant rows over questions and we need to move on. I will be responsible to the Guild who will always have the power to remove me. This decison will be from the guild members as democratically as possible, followed by the officers and finally myself. I have no intention of demoting officers but the possibility of promotion can arrise in other lvls to help organisation. I'll be pretty much taking off where Thor left off and seeing where we can go.

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    The best way for decisions to be made IMO is that the topic should be discussed within the members/officers/GM and then the GM makes a decision, not votes. We need a leader that is desicive (sp.?) and knows what he is doing, not someone that just goes with the majority.
    I don't mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am so that's the way it comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERU
    I see myself as the ultimate desion maker as stated above. If this doesnt happen there will be contant rows over questions and we need to move on. I will be responsible to the Guild who will always have the power to remove me. This decison will be from the guild members as democratically as possible, followed by the officers and finally myself. I have no intention of demoting officers but the possibility of promotion can arrise in other lvls to help organisation. I'll be pretty much taking off where Thor left off and seeing where we can go.
    See this is the point i raised in the massive thread, an ultimate power leader doesn't exist at the moment and even madocks doesn't want someone in this position that much has been made clear to me. The point i make in that thread is that the guild would have to appoint someone who was fair enough to use that power.

    I've spent time saying my piece and i'm now convinced that an ultimate power head is not the way to go. I'm backing Velan for GM, as he's already said to me that he'll address my issues about sharing and what should be put in place if people don't co-operate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiG
    I'm backing Velan for GM, as he's already said to me that he'll address my issues about sharing and what should be put in place if people don't co-operate.

    TiG
    It says in his thread that he will continue to carry on as Thor did!!!
    If he has told you otherwise then that is a complete reverse as to what he has stated. To quote Velan himself:
    "I view the guild more as a collection of friends who "want" to help each other rather than are made to by imposing demotions/expulsions."

    "I think that punishments wouldn't be needed as people would soon notice people not helping others and in tun these people would recieve little or no help back."

    "If im made guild master ill do my best to encourage helping others but unless extreme circumstances arise I wont be forcing anyone to do anything."
    I have become very suspicious if he is stating to do one thing and private messaging individuals about another

    I intend to carry on from where Thor left off and basically run this guild as my current gaming clan does. Ruling such a mixed Guild as Hexus (a family guild) with an iron fist is going to be a VERY bad thing.

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    "Originally Posted by TiG
    I'm backing Velan for GM, as he's already said to me that he'll address my issues about sharing and what should be put in place if people don't co-operate."

    That statement that i've written says he'll address my issues. That means that he's going to listen to what i have to say. Not necessarily do anything particular about it.

    Sorry Eru but i think you've misread what i've said and your reaction to this is way over the top. And quite frankly it feels like you are using for this for your own personal gain.

    I think the aspect is trust here, and quite frankly i Trust Velan, why well if we want to get down to detail, he doesn't forget which reciepes he does or does not have..

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    "he'll address my issues about sharing and what should be put in place if people don't co-operate"

    As I have said all decisions will be discussed and voted on by the officers , TiGs and everyone elses Ideas will as I have said be discussed and voted on in the usual manner, In my view this is the only fair way. Im sorry if you misunderstood TiGs message.
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    I have spread my dreams under your feet;
    Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams.

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    ERU smells of wee.

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    When can we start to vote? As interesting as the debates/discussions/accusations have become, quite frankly, the sooner we can bring this to a close, the better.

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    Just a bit Butcher, just a bit. That's why we need to move quickly before voter apathy sets in

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    All votes should be sent to Thor ASAP via ingame mail
    Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths,
    Enwrought with golden and silver light,
    The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
    Of night and light and the half-light,
    I would spread the cloths under your feet:
    But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
    I have spread my dreams under your feet;
    Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams.

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