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Recently Ahmed Yassin, yesterday Abdul Aziz Al Rantissi, when will it stop and what chance that this will being peace? Personal opinion is that it is to cause more violence and justify further oppression of Palestinians. Thoughts?
The Cow by Ogden Nash
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My personal opinion ?
Interesting how no-one gives a stuff about these nutters strapping bombs to themselves and walking onto buses and into restaurants - perpetrated by an organisation that this guy was the head of.
Live by the sword, die by it.
Thats just my personal opinion however.
So how does that make the Israeli Defence Force any better than Hamas?Originally Posted by Skii
"All our beliefs are being challenged now, and rightfully so, they're stupid." - Bill Hicks
Surely then that applies to all Israelis as they are all IDF members at some point?
Oh and interesting that you didn't answer the question.
The Cow by Ogden Nash
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the whole basis of the question is flawed, what is peace? is peace really what the world wants? who are YOU to say that they wrong killing each other?
If you are referring to me then I am not the one saying it is wrong, international law says that they are wrong, can you improve on that?
Personally I dont think that Israel wants a negotiated settlement.
The Cow by Ogden Nash
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In human terms, probably no better at all - but I just find it hard to be sympathetic.
You asked for my thoughts - I gave them.
I'm sick of both sides, I'm sick of Israeli style diplomacy, and I'm sick of Palestinian diplomacy.
I just don't get this argument that it is all Israels fault, its pretty clear that both sides break the rules, the Palestinian government do NOTHING about the activities of Hamas, yet when we see Israel taking direct action its widely condemned.
I agree it seems that they do nothing but then when their police stations are systematically eradicated by the Israelis then how should they keep order?
The Cow by Ogden Nash
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One end is moo, the other, milk.
The real problem here is the attitude of the 'honest broker' United states which has never treated the Palestinians with any fairness.
If you're looking at reasons for international Islamic terrorism then that one always tops the list.
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You've got a basic problem here in that Israel is a relatively recently established state that was itself founded upon a combination of terror, military conquest and ethnic cleansing. It limits one's sympathy for them. I don't condone the terror attacks of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, but then neither do I condone the continued illegal occupation of Palestinian land by Israeli settlers, which occupation has now been openly endorsed by both Ariel Sharon and George Bush. It's great; the Palestinians have a choice - "Give up your land with a big smile on your face - or don't and we'll take it anyway. Oh, and by the way, if you try to do anything about it, we'll call you terrorists and shoot you, your families and anyone else who gets in the way. No it's not legal. Like we give a ****."
I find the methods of both parties equally objectionable.
It is not just "Israel's fault", but Israel do have greater leverage in terms of negotiating a peaceful settlement, on account of numerous facts; UN membership, support from the United States; economic and military supremacy etc. etc.
If you look at it in terms of who is actually in a position to do anything positive, it's quite clear that Israel is far more opportunity than the Palestinians do. The Palestinians can stop blowing themselves up on buses, which admittedly is a fairly big thing to do, but that's about all they can do. I think they feel (justifiably) that if they attempt to mediate a peaceful solution, they will simply continue being persecuted in the same way they have for decades gone by.
"All our beliefs are being challenged now, and rightfully so, they're stupid." - Bill Hicks
Fair point. I would say the ball has to be in the Palestinian authorities court to do play a more active role in curbing the activities of Hamas.
we are already seeing negotiation, we are already seeing the handover of Palestinian territory back to its rightful owners, not all of it admittedly, but its a start.
On the face of it it seems simple - the negotiations are starting, there is SOME light at the end of tunnel, but who stops shooting first without the guarantee that the other side won't fire back ? I think if the Israelis saw more activity from the Palestinian government to deal with the terrorist problem, they would be more inclined to stop shooting.
I'm not defending the actions of Israeli troops here, we hear of atrocities committed by them nearly every day, but until both governments start to do equal amounts to suppress terrorism, it ain't going to stop.
Well thing is that they have been setting this up for quite a while if you follow the situation closely. They systematically missiled PA police stations about two years ago, around the time of Jenin and before, then claim that there is nothing being done to reign in militants. I see horrible human suffering on both sides and condone none of it but I understand the Palestinians to have less choice in the process. Killing the very Palestinians who command enough respect to actually steer the populice in the direction of a peaceful negotiated settlement is not the way forward. They killed the only Palestinian politician who was prepared to recognise Israel last year, this is not the peaceful way forward. Imposing a US brokered solution will NOT work.
The Cow by Ogden Nash
The cow is of the bovine ilk;
One end is moo, the other, milk.
Bush condoning the ditching of the right to return policy in the West Bank will do irreperable damage to the process. Expect more buses to be blown up as to a lot of Palestinians, i'm sure it seems like the only option.
The UN cannot force Israel to do anything because of the US's permanent veto.
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Interesting article here that is written by a Jewish leftie called Ralph Schoenmann.
http://www.balkanunity.org/mideast/english/zionism/
Some of it specifically the campaign of breaking arms makes harrowing reading.
The Cow by Ogden Nash
The cow is of the bovine ilk;
One end is moo, the other, milk.
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