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Last edited by roachcoach; 29-06-2011 at 01:39 PM.
About time! Then again, with my wife and young child in the house I wouldn't hesitate to do anything necessary to incapacitate an intruder. Whether my actions are excessive or not wouldn’t even cross my mind until later.
Mr Clarke said legal protection would not extend to anyone shooting a burglar in the back when they were fleeing or "getting their friends together to beat them up".
So make sure you shoot them in the front?
Well it saves on prison costs.
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Platinum (29-06-2011)
In the face. Always shoot in the face. I'm sure that's an internet rule somewhere.Originally Posted by Bugbait
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Can't help but wonder if loan sharks and mob types will suddenly suffer from a rash of 'break ins' from debtors/rivals....
Double tap surely.
On a serious note my worry with a family is that burglars would start arming themselves or roaming in larger groups. God forbid you should maim anyone; you also have the disadvantage they know where you live.
Yes, prefereably as their coming up the garden path. After all, you can't be sure they're not a burglar.
In fact, come to think of it a decent longbow has a range of about a quarter of a mile...
A very real worry, although I suspect a lot of them carry something anyway. When we got broken into at Christmas they picked up a plank of wood I had in the garden and carried that into the house with them. Plus most people have at least one big nasty kitchen knife - if the burlgars get the kitchen before you do... *shudder*
We're not allowed to shoot them in the back? but the front is ok? does that mean the justice review is going to legalise guns for everyone again then?
No, we're not, not currently anyway. The "in the back" remark is (I think) an oblique reference to the Tony Martin care, the Norfolk farmer that shot two burglars a few years ago, killing one and wounding the other.
Currently, you're allowed t use "reasonable force" to defend yourself, other people and your property. The question is what force is "reasonable", and under what circumstances.
If you shoot someone in the front, then it's at least reasonable that they may have been a threat (and perhaps coming at you) when you fired. If you shoot them in the back, it's much harder to argue that any threat was imminent, and that therefore the force was reasonable.
What Ken Clarke (and Cameron, etc) seem to be saying is that the current situation isn't clear enough, and they appear to be saying legislation needs to change to make it clearer, and to put the householder under a lot less threat of legal action.
It'll be interesting to see what their proposals actually are - i.e. whether the acceptable level of force actually changes much, or whether they just try to make the legal situation clearer, because with the current "reasonable force", the "reasonable" bit is very hard to define in a way most people understand. The result is that you have to do what you think is necessary, and hope to hell that the police and CPS agree when they investigate and/or raise any charges.
In other words, are these suggested changes real, or just smoke ad mirrors spin?
Reduces re-offending rates too. Double bubble.
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The real plague here is 20/20 hindsight. It's easy to say from the warm comfort of a bench that force was "unreasonable". Simply because they weren't there.
Perhaps a tacit instruction to the police/CPS/judges that unless it really was OTT, just to 'drop it' may be a more prudent course of action rather than enshrining in law.
Have that many householders actually had problems with this? Save the odd shooting in the back whilst they were running away/hunt them down and beat to death with a bat after the threat had passed style arrests?
Yeah but unless you do it right, you increase the burden on the NHSReduces re-offending rates too. Double bubble.
I am generally against stabbing, shooting or other behaviour toward burglers. Unless the burgler is threatening me that it, is which case I will defend myself in a reasonable manner. I will of course, attempt to peacefully effect a citizens arrest on any non-threatening burgler. That has broken into my house. In the middle of the night. When it's very dark.
The important part here would be legislation to ensure you won't be defending yourself in a civil suit filed by the nasty little scrote when he get's injured by some flying buckshot after breaking in.
GOOD...GOOD... [ Said whilst rubbing hands together with glee ]
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The day after this was announced.....
A BUSINESSMAN and his son have been arrested for alleged murder after a masked burglar was stabbed to death in their house.
Garage manager Peter Flanagan, 59, and his 27-year-old son Neil were being questioned last night by detectives after confronting a four-man balaclava-clad gang who burst into their terraced property just before midnight on Wednesday. Neil’s 21-year old girlfriend was also arrested on suspicion of murder.His three accomplices, all wearing dark clothing, dragged him 200 yards down the road but left him for dead on the pavement and fled after one of the Flanagan family rang 999 to report the raid.
The 26-year-old burglar was taken to hospital but later pronounced dead
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Switching to serious mode, this is the problem with reasonable force.
Even if you really know how to handle yourself, and you have the ground advantage, there are four of them, if your going to brandish a knife, or any weapon you have to be damned able to use it.
Four vs Two, well you need to disable some as quickly as possible to have any chance. Sounds like they did....
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