'Racist' FA Recall DVD.

[Stewart]

How would that poor ginger headed Scholes be feeling? Or Terry Butcher, bravely playing on despite poruing claret over anyone who went near him... Gazza, nuff said... Best, Campbell, Banks, Hurst, Hoddle, Woddle, Ike, Hughes, Rush, Wright, Ardilles, Greaves... the list goes on and on. A footballers career is short enough, lets not make their twilight years worse by ignoring their shining moments too!

Well, the players on the list who are not English will just have to put up with it.

Of course, you are right - the average Sun reader is a different animal to the average Guardian reader, and the sort of person who reads the Daily Star is not the same sort of person who reads the Financial Times.

End of the day, its Right vs Left, Middle class vs Working class, common sense and the right to speak your mind Vs PC madness.

Not something you give in to without a fight.

[Nick]

Not so sure its a class thing there though...

Our likes and dislikes tend, on the whole, to transcend class divisions...

Me, upper class snob... I hate Marmite just as much as the working class oik... I'm not necessarily going to go over and discuss my dislike with him, but if a war broke out over it, I'd be on the same side as him.

[Stewart]

That's the thing with the Yanks you see and the current trend of it being 'in' the knock them - end of the day, if a war broke out, you can bet your arse that we'd be fighting on the same side. World War II, when we stood alone against the Nazis, it was the Yanks who were fighting with us when it all kicked off.

We are allies, and no matter how the much is gets up the nose of the anti-War, anti-American mob, if the chips were down, we'd be fighting shoulder to shoulder with them.

As for the class thing - oh but it is. I doubt the Guardian has many working class readers, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the readers they do have look down on anyone reading the Sun as oiks.

[Rave]

Your rant against the Guardian is random to be honest Vaul. You should read the article Zathras linked to if you haven't already. I think you'll struggle to find anything to complain about.

Rich :¬)

[Stewart]

Your rant against the Guardian is random to be honest Vaul. You should read the article Zathras linked to if you haven't already. I think you'll struggle to find anything to complain about.

Rich :¬)

Yeah, just did, and I have to say John Rawling seems a cut above the likes of the average Guardian reporter. Was a good piece.

As I said, John Barnes himself is quoted as saying its PC gone mad, and I can assure you that the black players who might get in, Barnes, Ince, Viv Anderson are now hoping that they do not... no-one wants to be remembered as the token black player included to keep the PC crowd happy.

Oh, and why wasn't Peter Crouch included? Its a disgrace!

[DaBeeeenster]

That's the thing with the Yanks you see and the current trend of it being 'in' the knock them - end of the day, if a war broke out, you can bet your arse that we'd be fighting on the same side. World War II, when we stood alone against the Nazis, it was the Yanks who were fighting with us when it all kicked off.

We are allies, and no matter how the much is gets up the nose of the anti-War, anti-American mob, if the chips were down, we'd be fighting shoulder to shoulder with them.

What on earth does that have to do with anything? Because "we'd be fighting shoulder to shoulder with them" means that people cant complain about what is happening in Afghanistan/Iraq? I realise this is totally off topic, but really, what on earth is your point?

[Rave]

What I'm interested to know is where this whole hue and cry originated from. Despite Vaul's contentions, the blame clearly cannot be laid at the door of the Guardian, so who was it who originally cried foul about the DVD?

I find this whole 'PC gone mad' thing a big annoyance to be honest. Whenever I read a story about some supposed example of it, I always wonder who noticed, and then who blew it up into a big story. TBH I'm becoming convinced that somebody with a hidden agenda goes around looking for things to complain about (like this DVD), and then makes a fuss. Then the tabloids wade in and make out like there's some great left-wing conspiracy to stifle freedom of speech and forcibly impose homogeneity on us all.

Before Christmas the Sun managed to fill up the front page and a double page spread with a 'Save our Christmas' campaign which was, not to put too fine a point on it, utterly spurious. A few probably apochriphal examples of 'PC gone mad', and a few quotes from Michael Howard (who lets face it would say anything to get some positive press from the Sun), and thousands if not millions of Sun readers are left with the entirely incorrect impression that Christmas might be taken away from them. The problem with this is that it's pernicious and one sided- 'PC gone mad' has become a stick with which to beat all manner of progressive and reasonable ideas and initiatives. When angry Christians were protesting about the Jerry Springer opera outside the BBC in a clear attempt at getting it taken off air (and thus at censorship), were the Sun and the Mail bleating about PC gone mad then? I don't think they were.

Rich :¬)