think this is a good build for making Game play commentary's vids on youtube?

[Terbinator]

mATX is just a smaller format for smaller cases, but mATX usually means it has less features (usually for the overclocker). The chipset is fine, the VRMs are fine (8 phase = very clear power) and have a heatsink. mATX is fine, I used to have one. It is only a problem if you want more slots and ATX usually have more features for overclocking

If its the same price yeah definitely go for the i5 3570k

And pre built computers are always more expensive, they have to make a profit at the end of the day

And I wouldn't put your results in this thread, better off in a different thread and section for people!

My GENE-Z wants a word.

[mikeo01]

I didn't mean it like that lol. Usually on ATX boards theres a lot more space for improving areas. My board for example has the south bridge and north bridge separate, some ATX boards have a nice heatsink running from the southbridge, over the northbridge to the VRMs. And mATX usually have a cut-down version of its bigger brothers.

Not in all cases, the GENE-Z is a good board

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I'm not sure if i'll be overclocking, if i do at all it wont be by much...

not looking to use SSDs at all, way too over-priced for their tech...

no windows doesn't need to be included haha XD

i run mostly at about 1280x900 or something ((can't really remember what size the screen was))

and not really, I just thought it would provide an extra bit of power for recording for the price ^^;...

I am only asking this because buying an overclocking capable motherboard does cost more money and so does the extra cooling.

You could go with a much cheaper motherboard and get a better GPU,or get an SSD. K series CPUs cost more,so could go for a cheaper Core i5 model or a Xeon E3.

Something like a B75M based motherboard is around £50 to £60 for example and is perfectly capable.

On top of this if you don't intend to use Quick Sync then consider the Xeon E3 1230 or Xeon E3 1230 V2 CPUs. They have more L3 cache than the Core i5 and HT which will make them faster for non-GPU assisted video encoding.

Edit!!

The HT might prove handy if you intend to game and record videos at the same time.

Why do you also need so many full speed PCI-E slots if you don't intend to run cards in SLI or Crossfire??

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

BTW,are you still going for the Zalman Z11?? It is a ATX case.

[TGWTHF]

I am only asking this because buying an overclocking capable motherboard does cost more money and so does the extra cooling.

You could go with a much cheaper motherboard and get a better GPU,or get an SSD. K series CPUs cost more,so could go for a cheaper Core i5 model or a Xeon E3.

Something like a B75M based motherboard is around £50 to £60 for example and is perfectly capable.

On top of this if you don't intend to use Quick Sync then consider the Xeon E3 1230 or Xeon E3 1230 V2 CPUs. They have more L3 cache than the Core i5 and HT which will make them faster for non-GPU assisted video encoding.

Edit!!

The HT might prove handy if you intend to game and record videos at the same time.

Why do you also need so many full speed PCI-E slots if you don't intend to run cards in SLI or Crossfire??

ah ok lol, i dunno, overclocking doesnt seem like something i'd risk doing XD

the Xeon models you listed cost in excess of £200, and the i5 2500k i can get for £143 brand new lol

and to be honest i was looking for a motherboard that was ivy bridge ready for if i decide to upgrade in the future.

and the reason i want 2 PCI-e slots or more is because i did initially intend on running crossfire 6850s, but apparently it isnt worth it, so i decided to go with just 1 card and keep an extra PCI-e slot in case i decide to upgrade in the future too lol

[chapelry]

You're better off with an I5 2500K for now and haswell when they release, the only reason you would want a z77 motherboard is probably PCI 3.0 but since haswell will have a new socket it doesn't really matter that much whether your board is ivy ready or not. Ivy is only marginally better than SB.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

ah ok lol, i dunno, overclocking doesnt seem like something i'd risk doing XD

the Xeon models you listed cost in excess of £200, and the i5 2500k i can get for £143 brand new lol

and to be honest i was looking for a motherboard that was ivy bridge ready for if i decide to upgrade in the future.

and the reason i want 2 PCI-e slots or more is because i did initially intend on running crossfire 6850s, but apparently it isnt worth it, so i decided to go with just 1 card and keep an extra PCI-e slot in case i decide to upgrade in the future too lol

The Xeon E3-1230 costs around £174 on Scan:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel...tio-80w-retail

Out of interest is that Core i5 2500K an OEM or retailer CPU and that seems a relatiely low price for one.

[TGWTHF]

The Xeon E3-1230 costs around £174 on Scan:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel...tio-80w-retail

Out of interest is that Core i5 2500K an OEM or retailer CPU and that seems a relatiely low price for one.

ah, even that is too much for what im willing to pay lol, since i found the cheaper i5 2500k XD

and it is a retail version on Aria.co.uk lol, its an internet only deal XD

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

ah, even that is too much for what im willing to pay lol, since i found the cheaper i5 2500k XD

and it is a retail version on Aria.co.uk lol, its an internet only deal XD

£155 with delivery:

https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials...roductId=43216


OTH,you can get free postage from Scan now,so its £174 delivered from Scan for the E3.

You said you want to make videos while playing games?? The Xeon E3 has HT meaning 8 threads - you can allocate some threads to the video capture software while maintaining performance in games.

The Core i5 2500K lacks HT so you have 4 threads to play with. The only real advantage the Core i5 has at stock clockspeeds is Quick Sync but you need to pay for the software anyway.

Once,I finished with some stuff I need to do,I will show you a few specs.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The following build uses parts from Scan.



Hopefully,at some point thus year I will move towards the same CPU and perhaps the same GPU(unless the Nvidia equivalent is much better or I wait until next year).

Anyway,as a stock clocked build goes,that would do the job fine IMHO.

A few things:
1.)I think that 8GB RAM should be enough for your purposes
2.)The HD7850 2GB might be cheaper from other retailers,but I heard some of the single fan versions can run hot.

There are other alternatives such as the GTX560TI 448,GTX570TI and HD6970 2GB too. However,the HD7850 2GB is quite efficient.

3.)The PSU is fully modular meaning easy cable routing. However,even a decent 400W to 450W PSU would be enough for the setup.

4.)I know use said that you don't want an SSD,but if you can afford on I would consider it.

You might be able to get away with a cheaper motherboard:

http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-...intel-b75-matx

The B75 based motherboards are much cheaper than the H77 based ones but only have one SATA3.0 port unlike the two found in the H77.

The other alternative is to get the Core i5 3450:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/nda-=...0-s2011-retail

The IPC improvements with IB should place it close to a Core i5 2500K running at stock clockspeeds IMHO.

Having said that you do have enough budget if you want to make an overclocking capable computer but you need to ask yourself - is it something you are going to do??

[TGWTHF]

£155 with delivery:

https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials...roductId=43216


OTH,you can get free postage from Scan now,so its £174 delivered from Scan for the E3.

You said you want to make videos while playing games?? The Xeon E3 has HT meaning 8 threads - you can allocate some threads to the video capture software while maintaining performance in games.

The Core i5 2500K lacks HT so you have 4 threads to play with. The only real advantage the Core i5 has at stock clockspeeds is Quick Sync but you need to pay for the software anyway.

Once,I finished with some stuff I need to do,I will show you a few specs.

yeah but if i buy the whole PC there it works out cheaper lol even with postage XD
and thats still cheaper than scan with just the processor, scans is £167 without postage, lol

and hmm.... do hyperthreads really make that much of a difference to performance?... or is it even worth the extra £20-£30? lol i decided to go for the 6870 cos its £118 and has free deus ex game with it, so i reduced my price down to below £700, and went for a 650W PSU lol, and cheaper motherboard XD but even then its borderlining £700..., lower price would mean i can get the PC quicker haha

[TGWTHF]

The following build uses parts from Scan.



Hopefully,at some point thus year I will move towards the same CPU and perhaps the same GPU(unless the Nvidia equivalent is much better or I wait until next year).

Anyway,as a stock clocked build goes,that would do the job fine IMHO.

A few things:
1.)I think that 8GB RAM should be enough for your purposes
2.)The HD7850 2GB might be cheaper from other retailers,but I heard some of the single fan versions can run hot.

There are other alternatives such as the GTX560TI 448,GTX570TI and HD6970 2GB too. However,the HD7850 2GB is quite efficient.

3.)The PSU is fully modular meaning easy cable routing. However,even a decent 400W to 450W PSU would be enough for the setup.

4.)I know use said that you don't want an SSD,but if you can afford on I would consider it.

You might be able to get away with a cheaper motherboard:

http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-...intel-b75-matx

The B75 based motherboards are much cheaper than the H77 based ones but only have one SATA3.0 port unlike the two found in the H77.

The other alternative is to get the Core i5 3450:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/nda-=...0-s2011-retail

The IPC improvements with IB should place it close to a Core i5 2500K running at stock clockspeeds IMHO.

Having said that you do have enough budget if you want to make an overclocking capable computer but you need to ask yourself - is it something you are going to do??

hmm not bad, if i ditch the SSD, i'll probs go for that build haha XD

the reason why im lowering the costs is because my dad and sister were moaning at me for wanting to "waste" £800-£900 on a computer... :/....

also like i said before, im going for 16GBs cos its future-proofing, and it works out way cheaper in the long run....

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

For gaming performance,HT will probably make very little difference in most games(such like Rage will take advantage of it),but I was thinking that if you are gaming and recording video at the same time,it would help. For gaming performance alone,any of the Core i5 quad cores would give you a decent base IMHO.

Having said that,you also need to consider any I/O bottlenecks in gaming and recording videos at the same time.

[TGWTHF]

For gaming performance,HT will probably make very little difference in most games(such like Rage will take advantage of it),but I was thinking that if you are gaming and recording video at the same time,it would help. For gaming performance alone,any of the Core i5 quad cores would give you a decent base IMHO.

Having said that,you also need to consider any I/O bottlenecks in gaming and recording videos at the same time.

the xeon looks better, but after a little bit of research, it turns out they need specific motherboards, and the cheapest is Micro-ATX and it costs £147..... I think i will go with the i5 2500k after all, i was really considering the xeon until i found that out :S lol

I/O bottlenecks?.. I've heard of CPU and GPU bottlenecks, but what exactly does a I/O bottleneck entail? D:

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

the xeon looks better, but after a little bit of research, it turns out they need specific motherboards, and the cheapest is Micro-ATX and it costs £147..... I think i will go with the i5 2500k after all, i was really considering the xeon until i found that out :S lol

I/O bottlenecks?.. I've heard of CPU and GPU bottlenecks, but what exactly does a I/O bottleneck entail? D:

No they don't.

They are socket 1155 based CPUs and will work fine in any socket 1155 based motherboards. Your information is incorrect.

Edit!!

Here is my motherboard CPU support list:

http://ca.gigabyte.com/support-downl....aspx?pid=3783

Even when it was not on the list the CPU was supported.

My motherboard is an £80 H67 mini-ITX motherboard.

Even this £43 H61 motherboard supports the Xeon e3:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigab...vi-d-micro-atx

If the motherboard can run a Core i5 or Core i7 they can run a Xeon E3. The socket 1155 Xeon E3 CPUs are Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs but with the IGP disabled in some models and the full 8MB of L3 cache enabled in all models. The Core i5 have less L3 cache,ie,2MB is disabled unlike in the Core i7.

The I/O bottleneck is more the fact you are gaming and recording the gameplay at the same time. Ideally you would want both to be off separate disks.

[Terbinator]

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