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As an owner of an ATI graphics card and with the news that Physx hardware is likely EOL, what chance is there for me to jump on the Physx bandwagon and enjoy the games short of buying nVidia hardware? I've always thought it was a good idea, but just haven't had the funds to get the card as yet.
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to be honest fella the question should be are the developers actively writing for these physics engines, it used to be plastered all over various sites but nowdays its very quiet. Still it will be a nice addon for freeOriginally Posted by S_D
Quiet for now, but now Nvidia's coughed up for it, no doubt we'll be seeing it put in a few more games..?
I would hope that with nvidia adding support on series 8 and 9 cards the support in future games will come through. Hopefully, all those 'the way its meant to be played' games released in the future will support it.
My questions are:
- Is there a performance hit using the physx on my card?
- Can I toggle it on and off or is it just a case of if you have the driver installed the its on by default?
The problem with this sort of thing is why would developers start using it without a big user base, and why would someone buy it without the games, a bit chicken and egg. NVida thou by supporting it might be able to perswade develeopers to use it, but given that theres a competeting standard from Intel, and that most people now are buying quad core CPUs which most games gracefully ignore, i think they might have to work quite hard to actually get development houses to use it in any way more than a gimmic.
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fantastic news.
i am just about to build a new Sugo03 gaming machine, and thinking that a 9800GTX will be nicely complemented by an 8600GT for CUDA Physx on the Gigabyte G33 board.
scan will do very nicely out of me in the near future.
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cheaper for Nvidia to spend 50mil and buy out physx now, then spend 500mil making competing products for the next decade of which all are useless and don't help. Watch physx quietly die.
Its in an even worse situation now. So you have 1 9800gtx, you buy a 2nd, are you going to get better gaming performance setting that 2nd card to physx, or to graphics in SLI. Yes, SLI, so whats the point. You're going to buy a full price graphics card and NOT use it for graphics? no, no one will, porting the code to a programable architecture is easy, especially when most people will turn it on for 5 seconds, go "yippee" see 30-40% lower framerate as sli isn't on anymore and promptly turn it straight back off.
AS i said, its cheaper for Nvidia to buy them out now and simply kill it themselves, than to spend time competiting with it over a longer period.
Its the same as anything else, "quad core support" is stamped all over anything remotely connected to new games, Crysis, even Valve are updating a stupidly old game with no need for multithreading at all to use it. Its a marketing gimmick, Crysis in no way needs a quad core but it spouted on about it because it "can" use it and if other games claim that they need to. In the same light if Physx are running around saying they can improve games with physx support(which they couldn't btw) then Nvidia would need to do the same for marketing reasons. So they and ATi have been spouting this "yeah, sure, we're doing physics aswell, it will be better than Ageia's version, yeah " crap because companies don't like being left out or looking worse.
Theres next to no games where Physx remotely helps at all, the few that do add pointless and not particularly realistic effects that have no effect on the game whatsoever. It in all likelyhood will perform even worse on hardware its ported to rather than designed to work on. Then again you have the issue, a tiny percentage of graphics card owners run SLI. Less than what, 5% of all graphics cards sold are even high end, and less than 1% of those people bother running two cards. Most of them will not give up SLI performance for the ability to run physx on one of the cards.
Physx, one of the funnier jokes around in computing for a long time. Closely followed up by, hmmm, the Killer Nic?
Good on them though, the guys who started Ageia wanted this from the start. Get basic support out for an Api they can create hardware for, get the hardware out, get a deal with Dell and wait for someone to buy them out. They might have even lost money on wages, developement costs and production considering the ludicrously low sales, but they were waiting for the payday where someone bought them out to shut them up.
So what does this mean for us Physx PPU card owners that have 8800GTS cards?
You were an idiot for buying into buzzwords?
hmm. but surely having a separate ppu will increase performance over using the gpu?You were an idiot for buying into buzzwords?
What would be ideal for me is if a graphics card could be used as a stand-alone PhysX processor (no video output/SLI/graphics). Then you could buy a 8XXX for a third of the price and have a PhysX killer. Or when you upgrade, take an old card and use it as a PhysX card.
Again, not saying they're going to do it, but that it'd be ideal.
Well, I'm sure you'll be able to disable it somewhere - perhaps the NV control panel or even in Device Manager as an emulation device if it fools the OS. That way you can install the software separately (likely use an older version) and have your existing card do the PP.
I was merely having a pop at you for getting one in the first place.
0.5fps maybe
Sorry for the double post.
i'm hoping it'll be a little more than that...0.5fps maybe
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