News - Spanish police arrest three in connection with PSN attacks

[HEXUS]

Claim to have detailed Spain's Anonymous leadership.

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[aidanjt]

"the capacity to make decisions and direct attacks."

A mob has the same capacity, that doesn't mean there is a leadership/hierarchy in a mob. It is amusing to watch bureaucrats flailing around trying to get a grasp on anarchy. It's *completely* alien to them.

[oolon]

In any mob there are normally a few who shout first, then the mob might or might not take take up the cause, every ripple has to start from somewhere, though it is fair to say it has to go through a large number of people "agreeing" with it for it to succeed, however when it because critial, even the reserved tend to follow the line.

[Noxvayl]

Being charged with "discovery and disclosure of secrets and conspiracy." ... so sad.

One of these days we'll change the way we do things, until then I'll amuse myself with the stupid actions police and government take to maintain and extend their powers.

[Unique]

i wonder how the police found then if they were using someone elses wifi? surely they would have went to the home that had the internet connection by tracing the account, but how did they find those piggybacking from it?

obviously it's not impossible to do it, but i'm surpised they got caught so easy as surely they would have noticed the police next door or something

i presume they thought that doing that would help keep the heat off them

[Whiternoise]

"Whether the server ceased had carried out any more sophisticated an attack than simply running this program the Spanish police failed to say."

Seized, Shirley?

[Noxvayl]

It's good to see someone is picking up my slack... just been too busy to highlight the errors in Hexus articles lately.

You guys really need an editor... or at least share your article with other hexus staff for a quick check before publishing.

[Betty_Swallocks]

If they're guilty I'd quite like them to have their balls removed with a rusty razorblade.

[[GSV]Myocardial]

If they're guilty I'd quite like them to have their balls removed with a rusty razorblade.

Why, because the companies that got hacked didn't take enough time and pay enough to properly secure their networks. Too busy paying their directors and senior managers fat bonuses instead of ploughing the money into ensuring their network was secure

The big companies that control this mass of information have an inherent obligation to look after it, Sony doesn't seem to have proven it's capability to do so. In my personal opinion they should be declined a data protection licence in the UK, which would cease their operations in this country and send a stark warning to companies to start looking into their security policies pretty sharpish.

Until such time as the ICO does something against large corporates, who are treating our data with disdain then I really have lost faith in the online system but have no way of easily requesting they delete information they hold on me.

I've this week also found out that Codemasters has lost all my personal information, 2 companies in as many months. What can I do about it other than to sign up to some scheme for checking my identity hasn't been stolen and that isn't fool proof.

Sony's offering of a years protection really isn't going far enough. Some of that info doesn't have to be used for a couple of years but it will still be totally valid and I'll have to pay for any protection after the year is up.

They're spending a fortune on diverting attention away from themselves and onto the perpetrator of the hack and are obviously winning as they're got you convinced.

[TheAnimus]

They're spending a fortune on diverting attention away from themselves and onto the perpetrator of the hack and are obviously winning as they're got you convinced.

Okay. I can't let that go without some comment.

Yes Sony had been pants on head retarded in the way the PSN worked, the security model was inherently flawed, once someone had any cyrpto certification they could do anything, from update the characters position to a game server, to executing arbitrary code. That is bad.

But think about it, your saying its OK for someone to do whatever they want because they can?

I can break in to someones house steal what I want because well they shouldn't have left the window open, they were stupid enough to use a Yale lock, rather than a bump proof lock. She was asking for it. They didn't cypher the passwords, they where asking for it, they used only and MD5 with no salting, our rainbow list owned the passwords, they where asking for it, they used a classic salt of the first two letters of the username, our improved rainbow lists found 80% of the users passwords because complexity rules were not enforced. If these concepts don't make perfect sense to you, then never post again saying a company failed on computer security topic.

There has to be a middle ground, taking reasonable steps to prevent but at the same time people not breaking in.

These guys broke in to the PSN network, yes I appreciate the intellectual fun of such things, but no system is secure, except of course macs, because st jobs said so, and so they must be.

[Jimbo75]

Okay. I can't let that go without some comment.

Yes Sony had been pants on head retarded in the way the PSN worked, the security model was inherently flawed, once someone had any cyrpto certification they could do anything, from update the characters position to a game server, to executing arbitrary code. That is bad.

But think about it, your saying its OK for someone to do whatever they want because they can?

I can break in to someones house steal what I want because well they shouldn't have left the window open, they were stupid enough to use a Yale lock, rather than a bump proof lock. She was asking for it. They didn't cypher the passwords, they where asking for it, they used only and MD5 with no salting, our rainbow list owned the passwords, they where asking for it, they used a classic salt of the first two letters of the username, our improved rainbow lists found 80% of the users passwords because complexity rules were not enforced. If these concepts don't make perfect sense to you, then never post again saying a company failed on computer security topic.

There has to be a middle ground, taking reasonable steps to prevent but at the same time people not breaking in.

These guys broke in to the PSN network, yes I appreciate the intellectual fun of such things, but no system is secure, except of course macs, because st jobs said so, and so they must be.

If you break into a house and take somebody's tv, you leave them without a tv. That's stealing.

The guys who "stole" Sony's customers credit card numbers (note they aren't even Sony's by any reasonable definition), also left Sony with those numbers. That's copying.

Or maybe those CC numbers are Sony's copyright now too? That will be the next line of bull**** we have to put up with, and you wonder why some people are fighting back?

[Mama Sumae]

If you break into a house and take somebody's tv, you leave them without a tv. That's stealing.

The guys who "stole" Sony's customers credit card numbers (note they aren't even Sony's by any reasonable definition), also left Sony with those numbers. That's copying.

Or maybe those CC numbers are Sony's copyright now too? That will be the next line of bull**** we have to put up with, and you wonder why some people are fighting back?

Really the only way they managed to "fight back" Sonny was by coping credit card details from customers? A real service for the common man over there, right now my details might be in anyone's possession but at least I can sleep well knowing that Sonny has kept their copy.

I just hope they don't target BAA security polices next, otherwise passengers are in for a bumpy ride.

[TheAnimus]

If you break into a house and take somebody's tv, you leave them without a tv. That's stealing.

The guys who "stole" Sony's customers credit card numbers (note they aren't even Sony's by any reasonable definition), also left Sony with those numbers. That's copying.

Or maybe those CC numbers are Sony's copyright now too? That will be the next line of bull**** we have to put up with, and you wonder why some people are fighting back?

Somehow I think your the kind of person that thinks IP THEFT is somehow OK because they want everything for free, and as such can't even see that in this case I was referring to the breaking and entering of a server. You've missed the act, breaking in to the server.

I then went on, to try and draw parrellels with the whole rape been OK because she was asking for it.

I'm going out on an extrapolation here, but I reckon if I wanted I could easily break in to your PC system, and put everything up on the internet. You'd be fine with that I assume? Obviously I'm not going to, but my point is someone can do that to anyone. I'm running on a fairly secured system here, but I bet any money someone could break in to it if they wanted too.

But if you want to try and bring this thread on to a debate about how its perfectly OK for you to pirate movies, tv, porn, music without paying for any of it, then I think you might some kind of malfunction.

[Jimbo75]

Somehow I think your the kind of person that thinks IP THEFT is somehow OK because they want everything for free, and as such can't even see that in this case I was referring to the breaking and entering of a server. You've missed the act, breaking in to the server.

You think? In that case I think you're the kind of person who hasn't got a clue about what is actually going on and simply parrots the views of the industry that you've been getting force fed.

I then went on, to try and draw parrellels with the whole rape been OK because she was asking for it.

Which again is absolutely ludicrous and an offence to anybody right minded.

I'm going out on an extrapolation here, but I reckon if I wanted I could easily break in to your PC system, and put everything up on the internet. You'd be fine with that I assume? Obviously I'm not going to, but my point is someone can do that to anyone. I'm running on a fairly secured system here, but I bet any money someone could break in to it if they wanted too.

If they wanted to. That's the whole point. Maybe these companies shouldn't make themselves such obvious targets?

But if you want to try and bring this thread on to a debate about how its perfectly OK for you to pirate movies, tv, porn, music without paying for any of it, then I think you might some kind of malfunction.

I don't think I tried to make that debate. I simply pointed out that Sony was asking for it, as are many others. Codemasters got broken into as well, thousands of details stolen. DETAILS THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE.

[Jimbo75]

Really the only way they managed to "fight back" Sonny was by coping credit card details from customers? A real service for the common man over there, right now my details might be in anyone's possession but at least I can sleep well knowing that Sonny has kept their copy.

I just hope they don't target BAA security polices next, otherwise passengers are in for a bumpy ride.

Did Sony need to have your details in the first place? This is the point here - these companies are taking every detail of everyone and claiming it makes them more "safe and secure" online, which is BS it makes you LESS secure.

There is no other way for the thinking man to fight back against it, because sheep happily give all their details out without question. Every single thing I do online now I have to sign my life away almost to get it. That is why people are fighting back against it.

[TheAnimus]

You think? In that case I think you're the kind of person who hasn't got a clue about what is actually going on and simply parrots the views of the industry that you've been getting force fed.

I'll say it again:
"I was referring to the breaking and entering of a server. You've missed the act, breaking in to the server."
Copying data is another offense. Breaking in is one itself. Putting the details on a torrent I'm sure was for the public good, no ego fluffing there... But I guess I've been brainwashed by you know not been a complete douche just because I can.

Which again is absolutely ludicrous and an offence to anybody right minded.

Excellent, hold that thought of claiming a victim was asking for it as ludicirous... Hold onto it and:

Maybe these companies shouldn't make themselves such obvious targets?

Ah yes, there we go.

I don't think I tried to make that debate. I simply pointed out that Sony was asking for it, as are many others. Codemasters got broken into as well, thousands of details stolen. DETAILS THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE.

No you were saying it wasn't theft, the law and terminology gets confusing because of the international boundaries, but in the US that would be classified as IP theft.

They also needed to have the details on the PSN system for the billing to happen. What was wrong is that the system gave out the clear text versions so simply. They were not asking for it. They had flawed security but they had actually taken steps.

I suppose you feel that the hexus forums were asking for the hack they suffered previously?