AMD details 2018 plans for Radeon GPUs

[HEXUS]

No Navi in 2018, it seems.

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[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

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https://videocardz.com/74712/amd-fin...le-radeon-vega

AMD announced mobile Vega dGPUs.

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[Xlucine]

It is likely that a variant of that GPU will find itself as the guts of the Radeon Vega mobile discrete GPU line-up, though other than mentioning the impressive 1.7mm package z-height and HBM2 memory usage (which is the same as the Intel SKU), no details were given with respect to specifications, performance, and release date.

They got a licence for the intel PCB-substrate thingy? This could lead to a reduction in cost for bigger vega chips, probably

[skotsbox]

With the Intel Vega CPU/GPU coming out. I was wondering is this going to lead to higher cost/availability of HBM2 memory ? I remember reading something some months back about a shortage of HBM2 memory.

[Iota]

With such poor availability at launch, alongside the price hikes and power consumption you would have thought AMD would have been pushing to get 7nm Vega out in decent quantities for the consumer space. Clearly the priority is not that, so clearly when I upgrade later this year Nvidia will get my money.

[DanceswithUnix]

AMD haven't actually skipped the 10nm node, but all the cards they made are in an AMD run warehouse cranking out Monero and Litecoin so far giving them $500B worth of crypto currency for a $0.5B investment, but being AMD they will manage to sell it 1 day after the bubble bursts thus somehow posting a $0.6B loss.

Because making stuff up is sometimes more interesting than the actual product roadmap

Come on AMD, give me an affordable 2017 graphics card and I will be happy, promises for the future just seem so hollow atm.

(for those that need it spelt out because this is the Internet, yes I made that all up, apart from the bit about not being able to buy an affordable Vega 56)

[Xlucine]

Someone must be buying vega, otherwise we'd be seeing retailers cutting prices to move stock. Since vega stock is like hens teeth, there's got to be a lot of bitcoin miners filling AMD's coffers (so more R&D money for the 7nm shrink). Sucks for gamers, but it's the polar opposite of the end of AMD's graphics wing

[Wh00pS]

Someone must be buying vega, otherwise we'd be seeing retailers cutting prices to move stock. Since vega stock is like hens teeth, there's got to be a lot of bitcoin miners filling AMD's coffers (so more R&D money for the 7nm shrink). Sucks for gamers, but it's the polar opposite of the end of AMD's graphics wing

The problem is what will they do when the mining bubble bursts?
At the moment they are practically forcing gamers to go Nvidia and when the mining bubble does burst those who did migrate more than likely will not want to go back to AMD.
They are literaly forcing customers away, customers who have supported them for years.

[kalniel]

The problem is what will they do when the mining bubble bursts?
At the moment they are practically forcing gamers to go Nvidia and when the mining bubble does burst those who did migrate more than likely will not want to go back to AMD.
They are literaly forcing customers away, customers who have supported them for years.

Quite the opposite - if mining bursts then there will be much greater supply for the demand so AMD cards will represent better value for money and draw gamers. Gamers are not bothered by moving between green and red teams.

[DanceswithUnix]

Quite the opposite - if mining bursts then there will be much greater supply for the demand so AMD cards will represent better value for money and draw gamers. Gamers are not bothered by moving between green and red teams.

Except if I have already bought a 1080, I probably won't care for a cheap and thrashed Vega at any price so a glut of second hand cards won't help. Availability of new cards doesn't help the missed opportunities of the past.

[kalniel]

Except if I have already bought a 1080, I probably won't care for a cheap and thrashed Vega at any price so a glut of second hand cards won't help. Availability of new cards doesn't help the missed opportunities of the past.

Yes but they've already sold that Vega so don't really mind that you don't buy it from someone else.

[DanceswithUnix]

Yes but they've already sold that Vega so don't really mind that you don't buy it from someone else.

I was more thinking about the comment:

"those who did migrate more than likely will not want to go back to AMD."

and that does seem to be how many people work, I am sure it loses AMD long term trade.

[kalniel]

I was more thinking about the comment:

"those who did migrate more than likely will not want to go back to AMD."

and that does seem to be how many people work, I am sure it loses AMD long term trade.

I don't get that. Why wouldn't you go back to AMD for a future gen card? Every gamer I know has switched between the two based on what's best for them at that moment in time.

[DanceswithUnix]

I don't get that. Why wouldn't you go back to AMD for a future gen card? Every gamer I know has switched between the two based on what's best for them at that moment in time.

Didn't say I agreed with or even understood why people do that, but it seems to be a thing. Like I also don't understand why I keep hearing people talk about a choice of an AMD system with AMD CPU and GPU or an Intel system with Nvidia card, and look at you funny if you suggest that you can plug an AMD GPU into a Intel motherboard (or I guess an Nvidia GPU into an AMD CPU system though that doesn't seem to come up as much).

Perhaps it is because most people I know are on something like a 3+ year upgrade cycle on graphics cards, so if they buy now at the start of 2018 it will be 2021 or later when they next upgrade. A change of drivers might feel like a step into the unknown.

But yeah, I always go for the best fit for my purpose at the time.

Edit: Thinking about it, jumping last year from a GTX 580/680 to a 1070/1080 seemed quite common in my circle and that is 5+ years on the same card.

[Shirley Dulcey]

The Vega design was already decent, but the 14nm GlobalFoundries process tech wasn't up to snuff on power consumption. Right now there are only two major reasons to choose an AMD GPU: you can't get your hands on NVidia, or you're running Linux. (AMD is more cooperative with the open source community and the open drivers for their cards are much better than the ones for NVidia.)

I'm waiting to see what the power consumption numbers for the upcoming 7nm version look like; if they've managed to get the power down AMD could offer credible competition for everything up to the GTX 1080. Competing with the higher end cards will have to wait for Navi; I'm not expecting a significant clock increase from the move to 7nm, I suspect that any improvements will mostly be used to decrease power use.

[Xlucine]

The Vega design was already decent, but the 14nm GlobalFoundries process tech wasn't up to snuff on power consumption. Right now there are only two major reasons to choose an AMD GPU: you can't get your hands on NVidia, or you're running Linux. (AMD is more cooperative with the open source community and the open drivers for their cards are much better than the ones for NVidia.)

Nah, you're way off. A 570 matches a 1060 6GB, and is cheaper at current pricing (1060 6GBs start at £265, compared to £245 for a 570) - buying a 1060 these days is a waste of money. Vega pricing is still silly, but if you want adaptive sync then the total prices are pretty close