Intel Alder Lake-S CPU samples appear to be getting faster

[HEXUS]

The Latest sighting is of a 16C/32T hybrid processor with base / boost of 1.8 / 4.0GHz.

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[ik9000]

so it's not a full 16 core CPU then, it's 8(+8). It will be interesting to see how it compares to a 3950x or 5950x given those AMD chips are full 16 core 32 thread CPUs.

[DanceswithUnix]

I guess it would compare badly on desktop vs 5950X, but quite well in a laptop vs 5800H.

But the most interesting thing there for me was the DDR5 popping up. In this house we haven't entirely moved away from DDR3

[Tabbykatze]

so it's not a full 16 core CPU then, it's 8(+8). It will be interesting to see how it compares to a 3950x or 5950x given those AMD chips are full 16 core 32 thread CPUs.

It's an 8/16 part with a bolted on low power CPU.

From a technical standpoint it is interesting but i keep asking myself what problem is Intel is trying to fix by putting this on the Desktop. Looking at AMD, you can change the power budget of a CPU really quite low and it will even "turn off" cores when not in use with very aggressive power saving settings being on. So why do we need the low power cores when using them are so egregious in the sense you lose features if you have both enabled! (see AVX instruction set loss etc)

But the Alder Lake series is looking like Intels Bulldozer architecture.

[ik9000]

I guess it would compare badly on desktop vs 5950X, but quite well in a laptop vs 5800H.

But the most interesting thing there for me was the DDR5 popping up. In this house we haven't entirely moved away from DDR3

I thought it implied this would be the last DDR4 and DDR5 was looming rather than this getting DDR5, though I might have misread.

[3dcandy]

I guess it would compare badly on desktop vs 5950X, but quite well in a laptop vs 5800H.

But the most interesting thing there for me was the DDR5 popping up. In this house we haven't entirely moved away from DDR3

Only things left on DDR3 here are servers or systems that need ECC/Registered memory because in DDR4 flavour I'd need to budget a hell of a lot more

[3dcandy]

so it's not a full 16 core CPU then, it's 8(+8). It will be interesting to see how it compares to a 3950x or 5950x given those AMD chips are full 16 core 32 thread CPUs.

It's an 8/16 part with a bolted on low power CPU.

From a technical standpoint it is interesting but i keep asking myself what problem is Intel is trying to fix by putting this on the Desktop. Looking at AMD, you can change the power budget of a CPU really quite low and it will even "turn off" cores when not in use with very aggressive power saving settings being on. So why do we need the low power cores when using them are so egregious in the sense you lose features if you have both enabled! (see AVX instruction set loss etc)

But the Alder Lake series is looking like Intels Bulldozer architecture.

Apple M1 cough

[ik9000]

Only things left on DDR3 here are servers or systems that need ECC/Registered memory because in DDR4 flavour I'd need to budget a hell of a lot more

my win7 machine is DDR3 as is the old i5-2500 box work were chucking out that I may set up as a firewall machine if I get time. I have an XP machine on DDR2 and another on DDR-400 (2GB of OCZ platinum no less!) so with the ryzen machine on DDR4 I've got all the generations covered. admittedly the XP machines see very little use these days!

[Tabbykatze]

Apple M1 cough

Exactly, that must have been a thorough knife in the side of Intels pride, especially where power efficiency is concerned xD

[ik9000]

Exactly, that must have been a thorough knife in the side of Intels pride, especially where power efficiency is concerned xD

and correct me if I'm wrong but apple's M1 is already out and available for purchase whereas this intel version is still in development right?

[Terbinator]

Are the smaller cores x86 then, and not ARM?

[3dcandy]

and correct me if I'm wrong but apple's M1 is already out and available for purchase whereas this intel version is still in development right?

Yes M1 is out but I am told by multiple sources that Apple basically said give us low power chips and Intel couldn't. This is the response

[ik9000]

Yes M1 is out but I am told by multiple sources that Apple basically said give us low power chips and Intel couldn't. This is the response

it must be costing Intel an arm and a leg.

(sorry couldn't resist, I'll get my coat)

so intel took longer, where's the arm in that?

(ba-dum tish)

Apple's not worried about the competition. Their spokesman announced following review they've concluded it's armless.

(no really, I'm going now)

[edmundhonda]

Are the smaller cores x86 then, and not ARM?

Yeah, it's similar to Lakefield with the 4 limited Atom cores and 1 fully-featured core. It's at least nice to see Intel trying something different, but I still can't see this having a place on desktop. What's the end-user benefit of a 8+8 setup over a pure 12 or 16 core CPU? Fractional power savings? Wonky or just busted levels of compatibility with OS or software?

Going to be a real fight launching against Zen 4 in any case. That sounds like a fairly straightforward iterative improvement on Zen 3, alongside whatever gains going to TSMC 5nm gets them.

[3dcandy]

it must be costing Intel an arm and a leg.

(sorry couldn't resist, I'll get my coat)

so intel took longer, where's the arm in that?

(ba-dum tish)

Apple's not worried about the competition. Their spokesman announced following review they've concluded it's armless.

(no really, I'm going now)

Can someone ban this man for 24 hours so he understands the arm his jokes have caused?

[kalniel]

It's useful for devices that need an always on low power mode but with full fat power to call on when needed. Future tablets, gaming devices and maybe car processors I guess.