Euro2016

[Domestic_Ginger]

We had strikers as wide forwards, Kane taking corners. Two crocked players obviously lacking match sharpness. What is the point of bringing stones, Barkley and Milner if they can't even get a game? Blinkered that Rooney had to play. No learning's from the friendlies when we looked okay. Dependence on FBs to provide width.

Buck stops at the FA. Manager after manager that has failed to bring anything out of the team. Just get someone else to sort it out and blame them later much like the brexit strategy. No structure no long term plan. How can they sit back and evaluate hodgsens position when they should be more worried about keeping their own.

The manager can choose who he likes but because English players are hugely overpriced and technically poorer no one in Europe even looks at them. Sterling cost M50 and earns £200k a week. The grassroots lvl is to blame in many respects; evil sky money is going to make it worse, palace £32M on a Belgian striker; no offence to palace but the kind of money from a mid table club is obscene. The pressure to remain on the teat of the cow leaves no hope of blooding youngsters. Reserve teams into the football league argument again?

First the brexit debacle and then having to face this again isn't doing anything for my grey hairs.

[Jowsey]

Rashford should definitely have been there. People bring up Scott Dann as if that's evidence that england managers prefer players at big clubs. They do, as it happens, because big clubs tend to buy up good players, e.g. Gary Cahill. Scott Dann wasn't good enough to make the squad, Rashford was, on top of being an exciting prospect for the future.

I'm so glad we took Rashford so he could have a handful minutes a competition, not really provide much different to what was on the pitch but at least have a good story, right? Because we don't already have enough over inflated ego's in that dressing room...

His spot should have gone to Carroll, if only to offer a different outlet. Iceland were deep, compact. In those situations winning the knock down header can break those kinds of stalemates.

It's also a pretty odd comparison to make between Scott Dann and Rashford?

[wazzickle]

I didn't mean to compare them directly.

Carroll would have been a good shout for this specific match but there is some value to taking young players to big tournaments. Not that we've seen that come through with, for example, Walcott, but we got the best out of Owen for a good while.

Lots of other mistakes - not just according to you or I, but commentators and pundits. I'd be happy with Shearer for England manager. We need a new style.

[pp05]

When a team parks the bus it's really difficult no matter who is playing.

England lacked a Gerrard sort of player and pace was a bit slow for my liking. Nobody can say they didn't take in-form forwards. Last season Vardy and Kane were the most promising.

It was just sloppy goals that let them down. Hart just is not quite the keeper he should be.

[Biscuit]

I'm going to stop myself but it's very easy to just rail of a list of people who shouldn't be there and have only got there due to the club they play for. Rashford? RASHFORD?!

I actually had no problem him being in the squad. he's had a good season and did well in friendlies. When he was used he looked lively.
The problem I have is that he wasn't even given a proper chance.... so if you're not going to use him then why bother?

[wazzickle]

There were lots of things wrong. Hart played awfully. Dele Alli had no confidence. Rooney hasn't seemed bothered about any form of football for more than a season. Kane just played bad, not for lack of trying. Sturridge didn't have confidence, he had lots of opportunities to take shots from outside the box but didn't bother. Wilshere wasn't fit enough. Sterling seemed to think something could happen if you just run with the ball at the opposition without thinking about any skills or dribbles or anything. When things went wrong we resorted to long balls. We had the wrong men marking and weren't alive to the well-known threat of long throw-ins. Everyone needs to take responsibility, Hodgson has done, now Rooney needs to fall on his sword for having next to no leadership skills, let alone just being sh**.

Gosh, how they managed to sap the confidence of Dele Alli and Kane after the season they had... Can't imagine a more toxic atmosphere right now, with the exception of Corbyns' shadow cabinet.

[ik9000]

Gosh, how they managed to sap the confidence of Dele Alli and Kane after the season they had... Can't imagine a more toxic atmosphere right now, with the exception of Corbyns' shadow cabinet.

The crash and burn of Tottenham at the end of the season did that. They were already a write off. I made this joke half in jest, but it proved true:

Ooh, and while we're on the subject... Why are Tottenham players ideal for the backbone of the England squad?


Because they've already perfected crashing out with two games to go...

I said it before the tournament: Roy needed to take a core of the Leicester and West Ham squads - the two teams who finished strongly with a good English contingent in both. And no crocks - no Henderson, Wilshere, Sturridge, and certainly NOT Barkley.

we also needed a manager who is tactically astute and has the balls to bench his favourites in order to get results. Roy is reactive not proactive. Yesterday he introduced Rashford too late. I would have started the 2nd half with Rashford, Vardy and Lallana. Rashford and Vardy were the only two I saw actually looking like they wanted to achieve anything in the 2nd half.

And as I said before, I think we should get someone with a bit of nous of how to get the best out of a group of players, and who has an eye for tactics - which is why my vote would go to Nigel Pearson.

for that matter I'd rather have Pearson for the England job than Roy but that's for the euro 2016 thread

[Biscuit]

I'd be happy with Shearer for England manager. We need a new style.

No way. The guy still holds record and despite some (IMO Unfair) criticism he receives for the decisions in his career, he is an English legend. Being England manager would end up being a big black cloud hanging over the top of him.

[pp05]

If a team parks the bus in front of you it will be difficult for anybody.

They let in two sloppy goals and passing was too slow. I haven't been impressed with Stirling at the Euro, his final ball is lacking. Joe Hart is a good keeper but for some reason makes these poor saves that cost them.

It's weird how Iceland didn't have much possession but when they did it had purpose, they were playing small triangles and keeping their shape until the opportunity presented itself. Fair enough they were in the lead and only looking to defend it. You think Northern Ireland wouldn't have beaten England on that showing?

England had in-form forwards in Vardy and Kane. But like iK said, the spurs boys looked shot. What they lacked is a Steven Gerrard kind of player who when concentration is low he is vocal, when you need a goal he can spray it about but also take shots himself.

[ik9000]

What they lacked is a Steven Gerrard kind of player who when concentration is low he is vocal, when you need a goal he can spray it about but also take shots himself.

like Drinkwater you mean? Who he left behind and took... Barkley. Ross Barkley FFS - total time played 0 minutes

[wazzickle]

The crash and burn of Tottenham at the end of the season did that. They were already a write off. I made this joke half in jest, but it proved true:




I said it before the tournament: Roy needed to take a core of the Leicester and West Ham squads - the two teams who finished strongly with a good English contingent in both. And no crocks - no Henderson, Wilshere, Sturridge, and certainly NOT Barkley.

we also needed a manager who is tactically astute and has the balls to bench his favourites in order to get results. Roy is reactive not proactive. Yesterday he introduced Rashford too late. I would have started the 2nd half with Rashford, Vardy and Lallana. Rashford and Vardy were the only two I saw actually looking like they wanted to achieve anything in the 2nd half.

And as I said before, I think we should get someone with a bit of nous of how to get the best out of a group of players, and who has an eye for tactics - which is why my vote would go to Nigel Pearson.

Was right with you until you said Pearson :/

[ik9000]

Was right with you until you said Pearson :/

the man who took Leicester from 1st division to premiership and laid the groundwork for Ranieri to steal the glory? The man who orchestrated the tactical masterpiece of a 5-3 win over united? the man who kept his team believing and after a string of (narrow) losses got them onto a run of 7 wins to stay up? That streak was championship winning form and they repeated it for the next season, with Ranieri and players openly admitting he agreed to try their current [Pearson's] system when he arrived and found it worked - and worked well. Yes I'll take Pearson over Roy any day.