Ok, my mate has asked for an iPod for his birthday. All our mates are going to chip in and we should be able to raise around £200, so we are thinking about the 20 gig ipod. However, I can't keep up with the MP3 player market. What else is worth looking at for £200ish? Can go a bit higher if it's worth it. It need's native MP3 suport if posible and easy to use. He does not have a PC, so will use his mates until he does. This means that the player must have good onboard playlist editing etc. Style is fair important but not the must important factor.