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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Another BR review:

    https://translate.google.co.uk/trans...%2F&edit-text=
    http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Ha...-Test-1214674/

    It appears the IGP has very strong OpenCL performance and a 1/2 DP rate:

    https://twitter.com/CarstenSpille/st...15442918133760

    Edit!!

    IGP performance in games looks a bit erratic.
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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Review of multiple RX480 cards:

    https://translate.google.com/transla...ergleich-test/

    The RX480 Red Dragon is tested - basically its an aftermarket card with a non-reference cooler. It boost higher than the reference model and is quieter.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderd...tic-influence/

    While Intel still hasn’t released many details yet on 10 nm, Murthy did say that 10 nm would substantially enhance performance along multiple axes. There will be better power efficiency for thin and light notebooks, which we think was the primary benefit of a 14 nm process defined during a period where the company was under siege from other form factors. But there will be a significant focus also on higher performance microprocessors for desktops and servers, both from higher instructions per clock but also in other key metrics. Our faith in 10 nm raising the bar for enthusiast PCs is why we see the threat presented by AMD’s Zen as being fairly manageable, with only short term disruption in 2017.
    Hmm,so Intel thinks Zen is a threat and will cause disruption in 2017.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    No user intervention required? Ooh, some overclockers might not like having the eternal fiddling around automated away from them

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Does this warrant finally moving to an 'AMD Ryzen chitchat' thread?

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post
    Does this warrant finally moving to an 'AMD Ryzen chitchat' thread?
    Perhaps the next thread should be "AMD CPU chitchat" to embrace the randomness here

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Perhaps the next thread should be "AMD CPU chitchat" to embrace the randomness here
    Next? Why make another thread - could just rename this one...

    Actually, I'm rather tempted, although it'd be bad form to do it without the OP's approval, I think....

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Next? Why make another thread - could just rename this one...

    Actually, I'm rather tempted, although it'd be bad form to do it without the OP's approval, I think....
    A new thread would tie in with it taking this long for AMD to produce something better than Piledriver in their FX range

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    The Bulldozer chitchat was 100 pages long,so between them the AMD BD threads have nearly 350 pages since 2011!!

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    A new thread would tie in with it taking this long for AMD to produce something better than Piledriver in their FX range
    Heh, good point. Any comparisons back to the FX series are still Piledriver related, aren't they....

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The Bulldozer chitchat was 100 pages long,so between them the AMD BD threads have nearly 350 pages since 2011!!
    Surely that depends on your forum settings - this thread is only 79 pages as when I look at it.... </troll>

    On the forum standard 20ppp this is up to 197 pages - let's see if we can make it to 4000 posts before Ryzen is released....

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Its upto nearly 362000 views too,so must be some kind of record for a Hexus tech thread??

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    I came here to suggest the same thing now we have an official name haha!

    Any future thread must, of course, include the customary random tangents!

    That was quite an interesting presentation to watch. The Handbrake test was quite interesting too as people were complaining about the unreliability of Blender as a benchmark (I've no idea how true that is but the demo is available to download from AMD to try yourself at amd.com/ryzen) but as we've seen with our own Hexus Handbrake thread, Handbrake is quite a reliable, consistent benchmark and video encoding is of course an example of a high performance workload desktop users are likely to run. They're also comparing like-for-like; 8C16T, and something I wasn't really expecting is the power draw being reportedly lower than IVB-E, especially given it's early silicon.

    The 3.4GHz+ base clock is quite impressive too for an 8C processor with a large cache IMO - better than the "it's going to be 1.8GHz" negativity we keep hearing.

    I'm not forgetting this is a workstation CPU comparison and Intel have Skylake on desktop, but I expect the 4C parts will clock a fair bit higher, and that gaming+streaming demo was quite interesting, showing even the 6700k really struggling with doing both - an interesting selling point for higher core counts now games are capable of saturating more cores - it's not just about the single thread performance any more especially if you're multitasking.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Well, my next desktop chip will be Ryzen that's for sure. The mindset in just going for Intel as the default choice in a new rig, simply doesn't apply anymore. Competition literally has been reborn on the cpu front.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    ... I'm not forgetting this is a workstation CPU comparison and Intel have Skylake on desktop, but I expect the 4C parts will clock a fair bit higher ...
    That's certainly possible, although I suspect the 4C/8T Ryzen CPUs will also be a fair bit cheaper than the i7s, given that they'll likely be harvested parts rather than separate dies, so if they don't quite hit skylake performance form the get-go it won't be such an issue for AMD - after all, the market they want to tag this time is enthusiast and high performance desktop, which means that skylake is only the very bottom of the target stack this time round. The skylake head-to-head will be Raven(?) Ridge APUs, and as CAT speculated (in another thread? Can't see it in this one!) there's a chance they'll get an enhanced version of the architecture (and they'll definitely benefit from improvements to the 14nm process). Since we know Kaby Lake doesn't improve CPU performance AMD have got a fairly static target for the rest of the year...

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    That's certainly possible, although I suspect the 4C/8T Ryzen CPUs will also be a fair bit cheaper than the i7s, given that they'll likely be harvested parts rather than separate dies, so if they don't quite hit skylake performance form the get-go it won't be such an issue for AMD - after all, the market they want to tag this time is enthusiast and high performance desktop, which means that skylake is only the very bottom of the target stack this time round. The skylake head-to-head will be Raven(?) Ridge APUs, and as CAT speculated (in another thread? Can't see it in this one!) there's a chance they'll get an enhanced version of the architecture (and they'll definitely benefit from improvements to the 14nm process). Since we know Kaby Lake doesn't improve CPU performance AMD have got a fairly static target for the rest of the year...
    Another point worth considering is that Canonlake, if Intel follow tradition, will be another iteration of the Skylake architecture offering mainly mobile-focussed improvements like better efficiency at lower clocks and improved GPU because of the increased transistor budget. I've read a couple of rumours about Coffee Lake which sounds something like a 6 core Skylake still on 14nm?

    The Vega snippet we got at the end didn't give us any solid figures to go on but they did have a demo running >60fps at 4k. I don't recall if they said ultra settings or not but if so, that's rather close to the Titan X and significantly above the 1080 assuming these benchmarks are indicative of game performance. Yeah there are quite a few assumptions here (also have to consider the AMD demo being on the new DLC which may perform differently) but we don't have a lot to go on, so ballparking is all we got! http://www.techspot.com/review/1174-...080/page4.html http://www.techspot.com/review/1246-...graphics-test/

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