Hmm.. That's weird, I can't see it there either but I have seen people making build with that combo and others with reviews saying the MoBo works great with it. I'm not sure why, it also on the support list says the 8320 so I don't see why not the 8350, it has an AM3+ socket so hmmm...
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I personally would stay away from that board considering the power requirements of the 8350. Don't expect overclocking either though.
Most modern CPUs are fine at gaming because most engines are built pretty efficiently these days to make use out of threads. Some still lark in the older days which is why people state "Intel is better for older games", only because those engines are focused on single threaded (Intel has higher instructions per cycle).
Assuming the R9 295X2 the only reason why a game may "dip" or "hiccup" and go slower randomly is simply due to the game loop, doesn't get to updating the frames quick enough (because it has spend more CPU time on the underlying logic) which is why you see mini hiccups.
The 8320/8350 is awesome though, especially for its price point. If you are settled on that I'd probably advise opting for a motherboard with a bit more bulk purely because the chips do require a fair bit under load and I am not sure how great the VRMs are on that MSI board. Their latest board (970 gaming) would probably handle it, but that board is £70.
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OK, had another look, that board doesn't support 140W cpus either which I would want for an 8350 to know that the board isn't at the limit and specially if you have any wish to overclock.Originally Posted by PixL
Edit to add: I have this board http://www.amazon.co.uk/M5A97-EVO-R2.../dp/B008RPZ5H8
Asus used to say it was rated for liquid nitrogen overclocking, but they don't seem to say that any more so I don't know if they changed it. Still, it ticks all the right boxes for me on features and price (specially the high spec VRM).
Why do you think it is that some people have it running fine with everything stock on the 970A-G43 while others don't?
Last edited by PixL; 12-08-2014 at 02:08 PM.
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This is why I asked for the entire build in my first post to this thread
Throttling is where the CPU is forced to run slower because something is overheating.
Is the board ordered and dispatched? You can often phone up and change your mind after an order is placed, done that with Scan and Ebuyer before at least.
Just to add:This is why I asked for the entire build in my first post to this thread
Throttling is where the CPU is forced to run slower because something is overheating.
Is the board ordered and dispatched? You can often phone up and change your mind after an order is placed, done that with Scan and Ebuyer before at least.
The theory goes like this... If a VRM is struggling then it is outputting bigger voltage spikes into the CPU, so the average voltage goes up to make sure the CPU always gets the minimum voltage it needs. Heat output is down to the square of the voltage in, so a small increase in voltage can create a big increase in heat in the CPU. This is on top of the VRM running hot because it is at the limit.
Hence the VRM is the first thing I look at on a motherboard. If it has bags to spare then it will run cooler, and the CPU will run cooler, so you get a more reliable machine that lasts longer.
Absolutely - the stuff about the 295X2 wasn't aimed at you as much as Extinc (he being the one who mentioned a 295X2 in the first place). You will always eventually hit a point where your CPU will be the limiting factor in performance; I was just pointing out that "limit" is relative and for games the CPU is - to a point at least - far less important than the GPU. You can game happily at 1080p High Quality with a £50 CPU, you can't game happily at those settings with a £50 GPU (yet!).
What you want from a machine is something well balanced that will last a few years. My stepson (who can't be far off your age, tbh!) is very happy gaming on my old computer from 2008, which is a Q6600 at stock + a Radeon 4850. An FX 6350 will be more than enough CPU for most games with most GPUs for the next 3 - 4 years, in my opinion. Even the ones that currently scale well with cores don't show a massive difference going from 6 cores to 8 cores, and until you spend more than ~ £150 on a GPU the impact of the CPU is minimal.
It's the balance that's key here - if getting an FX 8350 or an I5 4670k means you're going to end up having to skimp on the motherboard, I wouldn't bother. I'd rather have an FX6350 on an £80 board than an FX8350 on a £40 board, as the computer is likely to be more stable and to acheive a better overclock (if you decide to OC it). That's why we've been asking for your entire planned build - it's never worth skimping on one part of a build. You might be able to find an absolute bargain on a mobo and get the 8350 on a decent board, but just going for the 8350 and trying to cram your mobo and ram into whatever change is left is - again in my opinion - a recipe for disappointment.
Personally I'd buy the FX-6300 and overclock it a bit to get it up to FX-6350 speeds. Save you £20 odd thereheck even my Athlon X4 ran games pretty smoothly and that is on the lower end where CPUs are concerned. There is only a few games where an AMD part will struggle, and the games you listed aren't some of them.
Besides the path we are heading down is "less CPU more GPU", think Mantle, DX12 (someone mentioned this), AMD's HSA etc.
"If at first you don't succeed; call it version 1.0" ||| "I'm not interrupting you, I'm putting our conversation in full-duplex mode" ||| "The problem with UDP joke: I don't get half of them"
"I’d tell you the one about the CIDR block, but you’re too classy" ||| "There’s no place like 127.0.0.1" ||| "I made an NTP joke once. The timing was perfect."
"In high society, TCP is more welcome than UDP. At least it knows a proper handshake."
Why do you think it is that some people have it running fine with everything stock on the 970A-G43 while others don't?
And also, for the FX8350, do you think that the Gigabyte 970A-UD3P is a much better choice compared to the MSI 970A-G43? It also has 8+2 VRM but I need some help.
Last edited by PixL; 12-08-2014 at 03:45 PM.
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Mainly the VRMs, bit unstable and flaky. Look HERE at OCN (credit to xd_1771). MSI tend to have a bad record in general. Their newer gaming series seem better however.
As for the 970A-UD3P, I owned this and I can say it is superb
The differences between the 970 chipset and the 990FX chipset is the amount of PCI-E (hardware wise) on the physical northbridge itself. So unless you plan on crossfiring 970 chipset will do nicely.
"If at first you don't succeed; call it version 1.0" ||| "I'm not interrupting you, I'm putting our conversation in full-duplex mode" ||| "The problem with UDP joke: I don't get half of them"
"I’d tell you the one about the CIDR block, but you’re too classy" ||| "There’s no place like 127.0.0.1" ||| "I made an NTP joke once. The timing was perfect."
"In high society, TCP is more welcome than UDP. At least it knows a proper handshake."
Ok, good stuff, will try and go for the 970A-UD3P, you can cancel and refund an order on Amazon, right?
Also, was everything stock on your Mobo, or did you need to upgrade your VRM heatsinks, or add any fans ect. and how much did you OC your 8350?
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Yeah you can. But before jumping ahead and ordering another board see what others can suggest too
I didn't own the 8350, I actually owned a 1090T which eats just as much if not more than the 8350 and this board had no problem with it OC'd. VRMs ran cool. They did update their boards thankfully as I do know some of the older revisions of the Gigabyte's 990 range had some pretty hot VRMs. The UD3P is pretty new.
"If at first you don't succeed; call it version 1.0" ||| "I'm not interrupting you, I'm putting our conversation in full-duplex mode" ||| "The problem with UDP joke: I don't get half of them"
"I’d tell you the one about the CIDR block, but you’re too classy" ||| "There’s no place like 127.0.0.1" ||| "I made an NTP joke once. The timing was perfect."
"In high society, TCP is more welcome than UDP. At least it knows a proper handshake."
Nice, yeah, I was looking at some of the other boards which will keep cool, as cheap as the 970A-UD3P and have good VRM now that I am slightly more knowledgable about them but I figured this to be the best choice. However, of there are any better options around the similar price point for the FX8350 then by all means everyone suggest them.
Also, just to clarify, the 970A-UD3P does have SATA III and USB 3.0 and what is the TDP Wattage max?
Last edited by PixL; 12-08-2014 at 07:13 PM.
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