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    i promised an update.

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    Title                         | Vista | Installs | Runs | Non-Root | Performs | Games
    ------------------------------+-------+----------+------+----------+----------+-------
    American McGee's Alice        |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Auto Assault                  |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    NO    |   NO     |  NO     [1]
    Bandits: Phoenix Rising       |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Black and White               |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Broken Sword                  |  x64  |   NO     |  --  |    --    |   --     |  --     [2]
    Broken Sword II               |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    Broken Sword: The Sleeping Dr |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Caesar III                    |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Call of Duty: Game of the Yea |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    Contract J.A.C.K.             |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Darwinia                      |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    Deus Ex: Game of the Year Edi |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Diablo                        |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES    [3]
    Doom 3                        |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  YES
    Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil  |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO     [4]
    Dungeon Siege                 |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Fahrenheit                    |  x64  |   NO     |  --  |    --    |   --     |  --
    Far Cry                       |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Far Cry (64 bit)              |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  YES    [3],[4]
    F.E.A.R. First Encounter Assa |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  NO
    Forsaken                      |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    YES   |   --     |  YES
    Fur Fighters                  |  x64  |   NO     |  --  |    --    |   --     |  --     [5]
    Grand Theft Auto III          |  x64  |   YEs    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Grand Theft Auto: Vice City   |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    YES   |   --     |  YES
    Guild Wars                    |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    Gunman Chronicles             |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    YES   |   --     |  YES
    Max Payne                     |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    YES   |   --     |  YES
    Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max  |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  YES
    Need for Speed Most Wanted    |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    Neverwinter Nights            |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    No One Lives Forever          |  x64  |   NO     |  --  |    --    |   --     |  --     [7]
    No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  YES    [8]
    Nocturne                      |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Operation Flashpoint: Game of |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  NO
    Pariah                        |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    Perimeter                     |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  NO
    Prince of Persia: The Sands o |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    Prince of Persia: The Two Thr |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    NO    |   --     |  NO     [9]
    Quake III Arena               |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Quake III: Team Arena         |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES    [4]
    Quake 4                       |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO     [7]
    Serious Sam                   |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Severance: Blade of Darkness  |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    YES   |   --     |  YES
    Sid Meier's Civilization III  |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Sid Meier's Civilization IV   |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO     [6]
    Soul Reaver                   |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    YES   |   --     |  YES
    Starcraft                     |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES    [3]
    Starcraft: Brood War          |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO     [3],[4]
    Startopia                     |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Steam                         |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Codename Gordon       |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Condition Zero        |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Condition Zero Delete |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Counter-Strike        |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Counter-Strike: Sourc |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   NO     |  NO
    (Steam) Day of Defeat         |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Day of Defeat: Source |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   NO     |  NO
    (Steam) Deathmatch Classic    |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Half-Life             |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Half-Life 2           |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Half-Life 2: Deathmat |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Half-Life 2: Episode  |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   NO     |  NO
    (Steam) Half-Life 2: Lost Coa |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   NO     |  NO
    (Steam) Half-Life Deathmatch: |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Half-Life: Blue Shift |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Half-Life: Source     |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Opposing Force        |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Rag Doll Kung Fu      |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) Ricochet              |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    (Steam) SiN 1                 |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO     [3]
    (Steam) SiN 1 Multiplayer     |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    NO    |   --     |  NO
    (Steam) SiN Episodes: Emergen |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   NO     |  NO
    (Steam) Team Fortress Classic |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    NO    |   YES    |  NO
    Stronghold                    |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Summoner                      |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Team Factor                   |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  YES
    The Elder Scrolls III: Morrow |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  NO
    The Settlers IV               |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Thief II: The Metal Age       |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  NO
    Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six - Ro |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    YES   |   --     |  YES
    Trickstyle                    |  x64  |   NO     |  --  |    --    |   --     |  --
    Tron 2.0                      |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  YES
    Turok 2: Seeds of Evil        |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    Uplink                        |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Unreal Tournament 2004        |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    Unreal Tournament 2004 (64-bi |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    Vampire the Masquerade: Blood |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  YES
    Warcraft III                  |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES   [8]
    Warcraft III: The Frozen Thro |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO    [4],[6],[8]
    Worms 2                       |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   NO     |  YES   [3]
    Worms Armageddon              |  x64  |   YES    |  NO  |    YES   |   --     |  YES
    Worms World Party             |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES   [3]
    Worms 3D                      |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    XIII                          |  x64  |   NO     |  --  |    --    |   --     |  --
    Zoo Tycoon: Complete Collecti |  x64  |   YES    |  YES |    YES   |   YES    |  YES
    
    
    [1] Requires Microsoft XML 4.0 Parser, game works if
        you install it by hand, courtesy microsoft.com
    [2] This game runs fine via ScummVM
    [3] Major graphical corruption
    [4] Expansion pack
    [5] This game is known not to run in XP (32 or 64-bit)
    [6] Patch doesn't work if you use the game's "search
        for updates" option
    [7] Autorun does not work
    [8] No Audio
    [9] Starforce

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    A good point touched on, how do the OpenGL games perform? Is there a noticeable slowdown?

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    doom 3 (GL) performs. hl2ep1 (d3d) does not

    i suppose the real test is trying a game with multiple renderers, like far cry or ut2004

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    I thought I read somewhere that ATI we're doing Vista OpenGL yet? Would make it graphic card dependant as much as anything else..

    Interesting that you're testing x64 builds too.. WinXP x64 isn't the most game-friendly OS.. Just wondered if 32bit vista does any better.

    EDIT: I note that OpenGL actually sits on top of DirectX in Vista - meaning big performance drops and a limited set of features unless ATI or nVidia provide their own integrated implementation..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangel
    I thought I read somewhere that ATI we're doing Vista OpenGL yet? Would make it graphic card dependant as much as anything else..

    Interesting that you're testing x64 builds too.. WinXP x64 isn't the most game-friendly OS.. Just wondered if 32bit vista does any better.
    possibly. interestingly, vista x64 seems happier than xp x64 about installing games (e.g. vampire doesn't install in x64 xp)

    EDIT: I note that OpenGL actually sits on top of DirectX in Vista - meaning big performance drops and a limited set of features unless ATI or nVidia provide their own integrated implementation..
    shouldn't make a significant difference, if done properly - those of us who play windows direct3d games in linux on opengl often get near-native performance, depending on the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by directhex
    shouldn't make a significant difference, if done properly - those of us who play windows direct3d games in linux on opengl often get near-native performance, depending on the game
    I agree - but unfortunately this is just another opertunity for MS to push DirectX to the fore - and I can't see them turning down the chance That said, there's good reason to go with DirectX 10 for desktop rendering as Vista's design means no penalties for context switching as on XP (hence why windowed games run slower and alt-tabing from full screen ones takes time). MS' primary goal will be to ensure DX9 stuff works as-well-as XP and that DX10 is faster (which it well should be from what i've seen of the architectural changes).
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    Nodoby tried BF2 yet?

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    Title                   | Vista | Installs | Runs | Non-Root | Performs | Games
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    Keepsake                |  x64  |   YES    | YES  |    YES   |   NO     |  NO
    Pariah                  |  x64  |   YES    | YES  |    YES   |   YES    |  NO
    Keepsake launches and complains that the graphics driver was not found to be optimal, the result is that the movies and menu lag like hell - this may be an nVidia specific thing.
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    Sorry as I have nothing to cotribute to this thread as regards to playing games in Vista. However, I'd like to say how greatful I am from your posting of info,

    keep up the cracking works guys

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    Hmmm, now that someone mentioned xp64 isn't game friendly it would be nice to have a similar list for it. Maybe it already exists - then a linky will be appreciated.

    I am thinking of upgrading at some point reasonably soon. But was thinking that it may be worth waiting for vista as my rig still seems to cope with most games (even if not in high detail). Was considering getting xp64, but with vista possibly coming it may be a good idea to wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkmech
    Hmmm, now that someone mentioned xp64 isn't game friendly it would be nice to have a similar list for it. Maybe it already exists - then a linky will be appreciated.

    I am thinking of upgrading at some point reasonably soon. But was thinking that it may be worth waiting for vista as my rig still seems to cope with most games (even if not in high detail). Was considering getting xp64, but with vista possibly coming it may be a good idea to wait.
    i'm far too lazy to re-do my list

    but generally speaking, take the list above, change all "performs: no" to "performs: yes" and mark every tenth game or so as uninstallable

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    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig
    Nodoby tried BF2 yet?
    Quote Originally Posted by Me
    BF2 didnt run well but did install and did play (if only with the 20fps as opposed to around 40-50fps i can pull)
    on ati that is, no clue about nvidia

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    part of me feels like trying the same set of games on linux.

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    Well, Vista is finally here and has been for about a month now. Think its time to resurrect Directhex's ecellent thread for further testing purposes.

    I have Vista 64 bit ultimate installed and will be trying a few games out over the coming weeks / months. I'm using Catalyst 7.2 and onboard Realtek HD audio now (See my spec for the rest! ). so lets start testing again !!!

    Broken Sword : Sleeping Dragon. Installs fine and runs once you enable XP SP2 compatability mode. Logic 3 gamepad also works fine. Installed into the games folder.

    Warcraft 3. Once again installed great but I had to enable the XP compatability mode again to get it running. Also installed into the games folder. Doesn't appear to be running using hardware also. Looks like it is in software mode and resolution keeps dropping back to 640x480.

    Riddick : EFBB. Installed with no trouble but after playing for about 10 mins locked up when I picked up a pack of smokes. Mouse pointer appeared and I had to close it with the task manager. Will look into this one further. It did install into games folder.

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