ah but supposedly there going to include what you own in your house as well, so you may live in a rubbish area but saved up and spent loads on a nice tele, sofa etc.. and then get taxed it on it, this whole idea smacks of communism tbhOriginally Posted by kalniel
Surely council tax is supposed to pay for the local amenities I use - police, schools, street cleaners etc.?
So what the heck has the value of my property got to do with the amount of resources I use?!
Anyone who rioted when the Tories introduced the 'Poll Tax' and who doesn't get on the streets if this comes in is a flippin' hypocrite.
W.
Um Waka, this is the complete opposite of a poll tax, in fact you are arguing to make it more like a poll tax! The poll tax was based on everyone paying the same amount - you are arguing that everyone should pay the same amount regardless of house value
Making people with higher value houses pay more is just a means of distrubuting the costs more 'fairly' across those using the services.
I can't believe they would ever bother with contents - that sounds like pure scaremongering and just isn't enforcable.
If Waka's point is true, then the rich should pay less.
Think about it - the rich are more likely to have private healthcare, are likely to be members of private gyms instead of council facilities, and are less likely to be receiving any type of tax credit. So they actually cost less, than say those who use the NHS more (and if the government is to be believed, this is smokers drinkers etc).
The rich already pay more income tax (highest tax band takes 40%), and are likely to pay more VAT by virtue of spending more. Same goes for fuel/road taxes if they have big cars.
Dave
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When will people learn that when you vote Labour, you vote for higher taxes and a nanny state.............Oh wait! the ways things are going make that a "1984 nanny state".
It's unavoidable, Orwellian theories were correct.
So if I spend £800 doing up my kitchen, I should now pay more tax because I've got a nice kitchen?
Let's just extrapolate that a bit.
If I wear Tescos jeans, then I should surely pay less tax than the guy wearing Levi's 501s?
If I drive a C reg Vauxhall Astra, I should pay less tax than the guy with a 54 plate Mondeo?
If I go to Southend for a week on holiday each year, I should pay less than the guy who hits the Alps in winter and Barbados in summer?
If I run two LCD screens on my PC, that should cost me more in tax that if I ran a 14" green screen CRT?
The Government already cop a load more tax with stamp duty on house prices as houses within easy reach of amenities in quite areas command much higher prices than the exact same house elsewhere.
Slap a house in a cul de sac and it's worth up to £10,000 more than the same house on a through road.
Throw in shops nearby, good road and rail links and decent local schools and you're talking an extra £20,000 or so.
That all belts through to the government on stamp duty.
If the buggers REALLY want to see some instant cash, how about scrapping a stupidly expensive and near impossible to enforce tax and do something to help first time buyers... How about a build to lease scheme that provides affordable housing to new buyers?
Cos then the government will creaming off their percentage of stamp duty and getting folk on the housing ladder.
Sure, there's loads of reasons why this might not work, but hey, I just come up with the ideas, it's up to them to make 'em go!
A totalitarian governmental structure. Society lose.
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nick they are doing joint ownership scheme in the home counties, where by you buy a percentage in the house i think the minimum is 25% whether this a good to get involved idk as they may limit you to how much you can buy or you may have probs if you want to sell the house and no one wants the same percentage as you have got.
The real issue with housing is the buy to rent landlords they pay stupid amounts of money for houses pushing the house prices up because they know that they dont have to worry just so long as theres someone renting from them, they also have the habit of turning decent houses into crappy 1 or 2 bedroom flats that are vastly overpriced
I think you'll find this has already been in place since the demise of the poll tax (introduced in 1993 according to wikipedia), and it was the Tories who introduced it.
To propose demonstrating about this is pointless, as you are 15 years too late!
A lot of people on here seem to be unaware of what council tax is, or how it is evaluated.
The council has a budget for the year, to be raised by council tax. This is then split proportionally between all the properties in the councils area, where properties in different bands get a different ratio of the total amount.
The bands currently used are for the most part based on property valuations from 1991. All the story above is referring to is re-valuing houses, so that they are in the correct band (some people will move up, others down).
This will have no bearing on the total amount raised by council tax (this may be increased separately, but is not related to this issue), it will simply change the ratio paid by some people. Most people will probably be unaffected.
Well George Orwell, although being a socialist, was probably warning us of what to expect with a future Labour government....eh
But at least in principle the Conservative are for less state intervention and for more freedom for the individual.
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Anyone else here think it would be fairer to scrap council tax completely and bump up the fairest tax of them all, income tax to make up for the shortfall?
Porbably save a fortune in costs of collection aswell......
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Isn't that what the lib dems proposed, and everyone laughed at them?
I have to say I agree though.
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