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imho we should be like the Germans and there you can only be an engineer with a relevant qualification. Would get us better pay and recognition too
/signed BEng (Hons) Metallurgy and Materials Engineering.
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What you mean like a chartership?Originally Posted by iranu
imho we should be like the Germans and there you can only be an engineer with a relevant qualification. Would get us better pay and recognition too
/signed BEng (Hons) Metallurgy and Materials Engineering.
So I am not allowed to call myself an engineer because I don't have letters after my name..?
Silly me. I will change it immediately.
Seeing as I am not a "real" engineer.. best ditch that Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer qualification I worked my nuts to get. Just paper qualification anyway... anyone could do my job obviously. Should have done my sciences degree, that I would be qualified to deploy a resilient SQL cluster onto a fibre attached SAN.
I will tell my boss to put me on coffee making duty and we can hire a "real" engineer to look after our multi-forest, multi-domain Active Directory environment.
With all those fancy letters in a "real" engineering discipline I am sure they have all the required professional skills required to do my job. Oh wait...
To these naysayers whinging I shall say this.
I am an IT professional who calls himself an engineer because you have to have years of knowledge, experience & preferably a recognised INDUSTRY qualification to do my job. I am a systems engineer and it is a very skilled role. Simple as that.
If you think you can do my job, please be my guest and give it a go.
I would love to sit back and watch you resolve the complex... actually even the trivial issues that my team face on a day to day basis.
I shall probably peev off architects next month. Why..?
Because I move to IT architecture. Then you engineers can whinge about the design decisions I make. Hypocritical because your degree in whatever doesn't mean you would understand the complexity of what I do now or will be designing in the future.
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Actually thats pretty much what I do
I don't bother with a job title although just checking my contract does list me as an engineer- besides sysadmin is much more |337
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I think the term engineer is used too loosely. Someone who installs air conditioning systems or electrical systems isnt really an engineer, just trained to do a certain job. To me being an engineer means the application of your knowledge (whether its scientific or practical) to approach and tackle certain problems whether it be from a design or a more practical point of view.
It should go on the type of job you do, rather than whether you have a degree or not. Your degree will just give you a better shot at becoming a good engineer with better job prospects, it doesnt necessarily make you an engineer. That takes years of hard work of learning how to apply theory to practical solutions, and also how to apply practical experience to your theoretical knowledge.
However, I am an "Engineer" B.Eng (Hons) and I will therefore sign the petition.
Sort of yes. I think that anyone who has proved themselves with not only a "paper" qualification but also an ongoing course of peer assessed acheivement would qualify to call themselves an engineer, however this would have to be regulated by one of the many, already established bodies.
It's only a petition, calm down dear. Sorry, people can shoot me and Mr Winner later. err no, you don't have to have letters after your name. As I said in my original post "can only be an engineer with a relevant qualification", and I should add to that an accreditation from an approved body, which amounts to the same thing. This does not mean everyone needs a X Eng. Infact I would be very annoyed if this were the case, hence my original sentence.
I know a blacksmith who employed a German fellow who was extremely competent. This fellow used to move around the UK doing work simply because he could not be self employed in Germany because he did not have the paperwork - read qualification ( x number of years at university) even though he had vast experience. This I think is crazy, however a "half-way house" should exist so that it is not possible for anyone to call themselves an engineer. The German model is a step too far, but the British one is too lax.
Bring back apprenticeships!!
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And the birch.
Meh, after all its how you sell the job to employers not the title.
It shows how pedantic some engineers are, some of the ones at this company are just so aloof, when really they are nothing special. And the younger ones act like 50 year olds with beards and the worst fashion sense!
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Scientists are no better (and not just in the beardy sense).
I'm neither concerned with job title nor letters after my name - what I am concerned about is the digits on my paypacket every month.. Almost everybody here is a Dr of something or another - does it make us better people? Nope.
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I failed to employ the sarcasm tags there, youve just described exactly what a chartership (in any industry) is.
In the pecking order of life, royal charters FTW.
I'm a chartered accountant.
I pay a certified accountant to keep my company books.
He pays an engineer to fix his photocopier...
How many chartered boiler heating engineers do you know?
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I'm BSc because i did one too many nice easy computer science modules, rather than the cybernetics ones.
Am i software engineer?
Or am i dragging down the title?
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