Breastfeeding adults - Islamic Loophole

[[GSV]Trig]

Hence the islamic phrase, "Get ya **** out for the lads"

Speaking of tits you built that PC yet girly?

[headbrace]

Hang on, let me see if I read this right...

Guy makes a case for breastfeeding of men. This causes uproar among fellow Muslims. After further investigations by the University the guy works for, they suspend him for being a numpty.

Sooooo, he has dubious reasons for it, based on a skewed interpretation of things, but everyone else agrees that it's a bit dodgy, and so ignores him.

Meanwhile, we read about it, and decide that Muslims in general are crazy, that we would ban breastfeeding but not for Muslims, that the country is going to the dogs, and that all religious people are mentalists (you can't spell fundamentalist without it!).

Remind me again, who's laughing at who?

[JPreston]

I spy a few theists from Hexus's recurring "God: No Way / God: Yes Way" thread having a sneaky pop at someone else for being clearly nuts, for a change. Mote/speck/plank in thou eye, I tell thee!

Sort of like this guy

[nope]

religion is religion , people chose there religion , attacking the church or the islamic ideology is wrong.

Respect each other , no need , if you want to suck on some breasts jump on board or let it be.

look there are billions of christians and Muslims on earth , they see something that gets them through when people die , it gives them council ling and guidance . They see how to live life and be great full.

I think its very pointless even having these topics on faith , the reason i say that its based on belief .

Some people believe there is god some people don't .

Hindu's believe in loads of gods , now the concept of it is good cos it makes them appreciate everything , from grass to the planets , now Buddhism teaches peace , its religion .

Religion teaches love and not hate , also understanding .

Atacking religion is wrong , if you don't agree with it then let your atheist being become stronger but don't invite others with your beliefs

[moogle]

no ones attacking it or saying its wrong, just pointing out a very funny flaw

[nope]

look , done some research on this matter , its about women not getting abused at work (sexually abused)

Remember you have to see that Islam is about committing your life to god. Now for a muslim Islam means security ,meaning if you listen to god then the CHANCES are that you will be saved from the worldly wrath like rape , murder , even disease.

Ok this article is referring to a women working with another man at work. You know as well as i do that men are men , they see women as every hole is a goal , now the islamic ideology is to protect women from this.

It doesn't mean that you have to suck her breasts and your on board , wouldn't that mean Incest after that , and INCEST is a crime in Islam.

If the girl is working with her dad then there will be no sexual urges.

Remember this is advised law and not law that every muslim women practices.

God only gives you options and you decide weather to follow them or not , at the samme time god shows you the possible consequences if you dont listen , this is a lwa that protects everyone that follows it.

Ok if a girl wears revealing clothes , you know yourself you become sexually attracted to them , so there is a law in Islam (up to the individual if she wants to follow it) where a girl covers herself up in such a way that a man will not feel sexually attracted to her , like the black hijab they where.

Remember this in future god has not chose you as a muslim and for you you live have you want , suck as many breasts as you want , you dont need the so called islamic loophole to do so .

But please dont disrespect it cos its not forced on you. Muslims are ok with it and it doesn't even matter what you think cos its not forced on you.

[neonplanet40]

Classic. I find it sad that in the supposed 21st century such thought still exists even though I have respected it whilst visiting a muslim country. i.e. when in Rome.

errrrr

[moogle]

Remember this in future god has not chose you as a muslim and for you you live have you want , suck as many breasts as you want , you dont need the so called islamic loophole to do so.

But please dont disrespect it cos its not forced on you. Muslims are ok with it and it doesn't even matter what you think cos its not forced on you.

actually god did have me as a muslim, i went to mosque and prayed and everything. but thats because my mum wanted me to go. my dad doesnt believe but thats not what turned me away. i just chose not to be under the opression of islam thats all. plus i dont really believe in god, hasn't done anything for me so why should i. since im a science guy I guess that has made me this way. we'll im not disrespecting it.

[nope]

do some history and most of British law was made on the islamic (gods law) ideology until the mid 1900's.

Islamic countries have less rape and murder , its there religion and there life , cant they think for themselves , religion is not forced upon you , you choose.

[moogle]

we're just discussing this loophole, not our fault that its that way. sure islamic countries have less rape and murder, but they're all asian. england or london is a multicultural society not just a one point of view city. so british law was made on islamic law, i cant be bothered reading about something i have no interest in but ill take your point as a fact, our law is way much better than islamic countries law. like when a woman does get raped in those countries, she and the rapist get stoned to death or killed. now how stupid is that. ya i got raped but i have to die for someone else raping me. wow the person who made that should get a medal. plus in non islamic countries you dont get stuff like arranged marriage, honor killings. yes theyre might be arranged marriages here but the kids who grow up here wont take it, we're a different generation. also if a woman gets raped in an islamic country iirc there must be a man present to witness it to prove that she got raped, so she can be saved. other stuff as well like a month ago some tourists got arrested in saudi arabia in their own hotel for having sex or w/e a sexparty. something like that.

[kickstart 1]

The saddest thing is , this is probably a rule made by men for men , those poor women , dont they get a say?

[moogle]

doesn't look like it. over there the man is right and can do what he likes. being born as a woman there would suck. there was a channel4 doc on this woman who's dad was president of india some time ago in 70's-80's. He was executed by the army for some reason they kept quiet, he was actually trying to get laws for women. His daughter tries to do the same thing today, but they still wont let her. That's how it is there. euggh, depressing just thinking of that place.

[JPreston]

I'm listening to 'Any Questions?' on Radio 4 ATM. The panel were discussing the current (vile, but fortunately futile) attempts by the catholic church to politicise abortion in the UK.

One of them made a statement which I'm pleased to say was greeted with tumultuous applause - something like "The fundamental purpose of all religion, today and throughout history, has been as a mechanism for men to control women". I think it was a catholic MP that said that. Too right mate! Vote how your constituents want, not some cardinal, and then buy your own bloody biscuits

do some history and most of British law was made on the islamic (gods law) ideology until the mid 1900's.

That's hilarious - another post like that from you and I shall be legally obliged to stone you to death!

Islamic countries have less rape and murder , its there religion and there life , cant they think for themselves , religion is not forced upon you , you choose.

What, islamic countries like Sudan? Less rape and murder than where exactly? Or Iraq? Afghanistan?

[nope]

No , when i meant gods law i meant about the death penalty and the fact law was taken very very very seriously , not the law we have today where there isn't any space in the prison.The ottoman empire and the law that used to govern the land then and later matured to what it is now.

Also you implying the stoning why would you come out with that , do you agree with the stoning?
Saudi Arabia , iran , jordan are countries where the crime rate is down , remember when you become a Muslim only then you follow the religion and its not forced on you like moogle implies , its your prerogative , do what you want but bare to pay the consequences in life for doing the wrong thing

I think the topic being discussed here is a waste of time , you nor i need it.

Its like me saying to you what i think of your wife , pointless and not my business.

Afghanistan abused Islamic law and are paying a price from god today where other people are ruling them, also the same with Iraq , so your right about the law there but that is abused just like the Tamil tiger s abuse Buddhism , Hitler abused Christianity and the suicide bomber abusing Islam .

No need for it and i condone it.

What i am saying is that a guy following the religion brings this then he or she can say its flawed but a person who doesn't follow it never so it to be a good thing so why today is it flawed , when in fact it was always flawed.

The topic is pointless and shouldn't be here for discussion.

We are here to enjoy the forum and learn about things other than religion , arguing about faith has and always be pointless , cos we all see what we want to see.

There are no facts to back each side , where other topics discussed at the forum do have facts , this is faith and faith is what you see.

So I am sorry if you feel i have said anything wrong but personally its pointless and all i can see is people fuming , which the truth is religion itself does not teach.

[moogle]

do what you want but bare to pay the consequences in life for doing the wrong thing

that is like a subliminal message there, saying if i dont believe in islam i'll pay for it, my mum tells me that sometimes and i hate it. and tbh religion is forced on to you. of course its passed down on from your family, i bet if you had or have a son, and he didn't believe or want to believe in islam you would force it on him or even hit him for not believing. that is the same way as forcing. and yes i think we should end the discussion on religions, but the topic can stay open. and for all those that believe in god i mean no offence. i just think that any clever person could have invented the idea of god and people believe it, and it carries on for generations. now that its with us it will never leave us.

[iranu]

errrrr

Ok just to clarify what happened. I was travelling on a bus with a friend of mine in Sumatra. There were only 2 seats available on the bus when we got on. One was next to a man (who happened to be married) and the other was next to a married elderly woman.

We recognised the fact that if either one of us sat next to the woman it would probably make things very uncomfortable for her and we would certainly get some bad looks from the rest of the people. Bearing in mind that we were in THEIR country with THEIR customs and rules we chose to stand.

This was immediately acknowledged by the married man and he got up and thanked us and then sat next to the married woman so we could sit down. The married woman also smiled and thanked us and the rest of the people on the bus recognised that we were aware of their customs.

Now I think that sitting next to a woman or being in a woman's company, married or not, is not a problem. However that does not mean to say I can ride roughshod over other peoples customs in THEIR OWN country. It's called respect. Hence the when in Rome comment.

Now if the same thing occured in this country I would sit next to the muslim woman without even a thought because in the UK we do not have this culture and nor should we imho.

Incidentally (after one hell of a story concerning lost passports etc) I got to Medan where I got pestered by a couple of Indonesian school girls who wanted to practice their english. I didn't think this was appropriate but they wouldn't give up.

Over a few cokes we chatted and I asked Dewi the older one why they didn't wear the jilbab as she was a muslim and she shot back and asked, "when was the last time you went to church on Sunday?" I then realised that I had preconceptions and indeed misconceptions. She explained that just because you don't wear the hijab or jilbab etc doesn't make you less of a muslim. So there are places in the world with moderate views and interpretations. I wish there were more and I firmly believe that the key to reducing islamic fundamentalism is the empowerment of women in those societies.